Here’s the point — Already existing Green Card holders must be given an exception to this rule.
Green card holders are not citizens — depending on the card and how it was obtained, that honor comes three or five years later.
But they’re not bog-standard visa-holders either. Unlike, say, H1B-carriers, permanent residents are expected to LIVE in America by default, and are in fact penalized if they don’t.
By law and by expectation, this country is their home; their base; the ground in which their roots are planted. Because of this, permanent residents are able to purchase, own, and carry firearms; they are required to register with the selective service; and they are treated for tax and welfare purposes as are U.S. citizens.
They can’t vote or serve on a jury, but, other than, they effectively enjoy all the liberties that natural born Americans enjoy. When they re-enter the country, the agent says “Welcome Home,” which is a big change from their visa days. They are not Americans, and they mustn’t pretend to be. But they are as close as one can get without being one.
I bring it up because I can’t work out how applying Trump’s rule to the holders of green cards makes any logical sense.
NOTE: these are people who have already gone through the vetting process; people who have been granted permanent residency; people who have made their lives here on the understanding that to fail to do so will incur penalties. What possible sense can it make to temporarily restrict their travel?
When they re-enter the country, the agent says “Welcome Home,”
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No that doesn’t happen they don’t come in by the same door as American citizens
They are processed with all the rest of the foreign visitors...
They are not American citizens...
You are correct. You have to realize that Trump is a businessman. When negotiating in business ( and Trump considers political action a negotiation), you commonly overstate your demands and position, knowing full well that when you “concede” to your opponent, you in the end achieve most of what you wanted. Trump will be outlandish and will appear to “retreat” on occasion and the Media will “celebrate”. In the end policy and outcome will change largely the way he intended.
Normally, a green card holder can re-enter the US for up to a year. For more than one year, they need a re-entry permit issued before they leave. After two years, they need a re-entry visa.
The Obama Admin has been handing out Green Cards to people for eight years who may be less than politically savory ... Eight years is a long time to be able to plant sleeper jihadis and terrorists ... So they must be vetted same as the more recent ‘refugees’ who have been brought in wholesale...
Okay a Green Card Holder from Greece or Thailand may not be a risk but what about those from Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, etc.?
I can for at least two reasons.
1. These are mostly Obama's green card holders. Some no doubt chosen for their ability to damage the US.
2. If they had stayed in the US, there would not be any problem at all. They have traveled outside the US do do who knows what. They should be vetted again before we let them back in.
The hoopla over a court order is just plain bogus. The EO had provision for those in transit when the order was issued. All those in transit have now landed. From this moment forward, they need to be certain they can get off the airplane before they get on it over there. Not that big a deal.
NOTE: these are people who have already gone through the vetting process; people who have been granted permanent residency; people who have made their lives here on the understanding that to fail to do so will incur penalties. What possible sense can it make to temporarily restrict their travel?
First off, the vetting process is seriously flawed. Haven't we discovered after the mass murders that have occurred within our borders, that the person has traveled back to their homeland and received training and or became radicalized?
It's really very simple: You applied for a green card (permanent residence status) but you left the country. Trump wants to take a look at why they left and what they did while they were gone. These are logical questions to ask. And if those questions are hard to answer, chances are we've prevented the next tragedy.
What is so difficult to understand about that?
I suspect there is ample evidence of problems in vetting individuals from the 7 countries included in the temporary ban, based on data from the Obama administration. We have to keep in mind that these countries are the home base for the jihadi invasion many of us have long suspected was officially sanctioned by Obama and his minions.
Because the vetting was not proper. Are you are a member of a terrorist organization ? There. Just vetted you. Already know the answer. Lol.