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To: vladimir998
What Israel has done for science is because of Western style education. A Jewish brain might have more potential than that of many Gentiles, but if all he has to work with is the Talmud, then there won’t be any scientific advancement.

While I know you did not mean this as a compliment, nevertheless you make a very good point which is too often obscured. Too many people, including those engaged in Jewish outreach, try to identify traditional Jewish education with secular education. This is a fallacy. The high rate of secular intellectualism in the Jewish population doesn't come from traditional Jewish education but from "enlightenment" secularism, just as the long-time radicalism of the Ivy League doesn't come from the "Old Deluder Law" or the Protestant Reformation's commitment to Biblical literacy but from the same source. The "enlightenment" is the source of almost all our woes in the world today (though it certainly had roots going back much further).

However, it is nonetheless true that the Torah contains the entire universe encoded at one level or another. For example, the ancient Jews knew the exact length of a lunar month without access to the observatories and astronomical fixation of surrounding cultures because this information had been given by G-d to Moses and his successors.

I'll take the Torah over secularism of any variety any day.

27 posted on 01/16/2017 7:43:32 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Viriycho sogeret umesuggeret mipnei Benei Yisra'el; 'ein yotze' ve'ein ba'.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“For example, the ancient Jews knew the exact length of a lunar month without access to the observatories and astronomical fixation of surrounding cultures because this information had been given by G-d to Moses and his successors.”

Actually, many peoples in the ancient Near East knew the lunar calendar - long before Moses ever walked the earth. Moses grew up using a calendar in Egypt which fully understood the phases of the moon. Besides that, haven’t you ever thought that Psalm 81:3-6 indicated knowledge of a lunar calendar among Hebrews BEFORE Moses’ birth? You could still say it was given by God to the Hebrews in a sense, but God certainly didn’t wait until Moses to do it if Joseph was using it.


39 posted on 01/16/2017 8:04:10 AM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

>>>The “enlightenment” is the source of almost all our woes in the world today

Then I guess you are not a fan of Baruch Spinoza.


43 posted on 01/16/2017 8:10:14 AM PST by pinochet
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