Could Western Civilization Be Saved If Most Europeans Converted to Judaism?

[pinochet]

Israel is the only country in the Western world, where birth rates are above the replacement level of 2 children per woman. Of all Western nations, Israel shows the greatest resistance to cultural suicide.

If Europeans do not increase their birth rates, the future of Europe will be Muslim. Judaism is one of the founding cultures of Western civilization, alongside the Ancient Greek and the Ancient Roman cultures. Jews have lived in Europe since 300 BC. The Ancient Greek and Roman cultures died out, but Judaism still survives. Judaism is the longest-lasting culture of Western civilization, having been around for 3,500 years.

Imagine what would happen to countries like Sweden and Germany, if the majority converted to Judaism. They would reverse their tendency towards cultural suicide. A Jewish Europe is not only better than a Muslim Europe, but Europe would maintain its leadership in the sciences.

[Jack Black]

I'm analyzing things as a secular historian, not from the supernatural point of view of a Christian believer.

So things that Jesus is reputed to have said are interesting, but stil, you have to look at what really happened in Rome and elsewhere in the period following Jesus's life. Yes, Christianity surely grew in that period, but until Constantine is was sitll, at best "one of many" and at worst an officially disliked sect that was frequently persecuted.

Even the New Testament was not assembled until 3rd century AD.

[rmlew]

A Christian Europe that is Christian would likewise have children. A Reform Jewish Europe would not.

[rmlew]

According to the ancient Rabbis, Jesus is boiling in a vat of boiling feces, and his mother is a whore. That tends to support the opposite of what you are saying, if the early Rabbis hated the Messiah so much. Wrong Yeshu, unless you think that Jesus of Nazareth was alive in 70 BCE. If you had read the section in the Talmud, you would know that this Yeshu was hanged under the reign of the Hasmonians.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Wrong Yeshu,

The footnotes, provided by the Jews themselves, posted on a Jewish website, identifies the person who is "boiling in semen" as Jesus:

http://www.halakhah.com/gittin/gittin_57.html

This isn't even the worst thing to be found in the Talmud though.

Oh, and also, the Jewish Encyclopedia identifies "Balaam" and many other anti-Christian terms in the Talmud as referring to Christ and Christians.

So much for the Talmud being written before Christians were around.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Wrong Yeshu,

The footnotes, provided by the Jews themselves, posted on a Jewish website, identifies the person who is "boiling in semen" as Jesus:

http://www.halakhah.com/gittin/gittin_57.html

This isn't even the worst thing to be found in the Talmud though.

Oh, and also, the Jewish Encyclopedia identifies "Balaam" and many other anti-Christian terms in the Talmud as referring to Christ and Christians.

So much for the Talmud being written before Christians were around.

[rmlew]

I've read the section. Unlike you, I have the background to understand why this is a different Yeshu.
You really don't know nearly enough to comment. For your education see: Jesus In The Talmud and The Jesus Narrative In The Talmud

So much for the Talmud being written before Christians were around.
The Talmuds are based on material written in a 400 year period starting before Jesus was born.
You know nothing of Judaism

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Unlike you, I have the background to understand why this is a different Yeshu.

But apparently not the background to understand that "Yeshu" itself is an insult to Jesus Christ, not a shortening of His Hebrew name, hence why the footnote names "Jesus" in explanation, the Greek alliteration of a Jewish name, to help Jews understand who it is in reference to.

From Jews for Jesus:

"Consequently, centuries ago he was called by the name Yeshu, a “play” on His correct name that is actually an acronym standing for Yimmach Shemo Ve-zikro—May his name and memory be blotted out. He is still viewed that way by some, especially Ultra-Orthodox Jews"

https://jewsforjesus.org/newsletter-mar-2008/y-shua-or-yeshu

As for your links, I will stick to actual Jewish explanations on Jewish orientated websites. I have seen Jewish websites lie--when writing to Gentiles anyway-- about simple things like the time the Rabbis celebrated that a man died before he could be healed by the miraculous powers of a Christian. On a Gentile-directed website, they told only part of the story, saying that "Rabbis had positive relationships with Gentiles and even agreed to be healed by them." But on the Jewish website, we see the whole story.

The only people worse than Jews when it comes to obfuscating their own teachings are Mormons. Well, maybe it's about equal.

[rmlew]

But apparently not the background to understand that "Yeshu" itself is an insult to Jesus Christ, not a shortening of His Hebrew name, hence why the footnote names "Jesus" in explanation, the Greek alliteration of a Jewish name, to help Jews understand who it is in reference to.
Yeshu is the Aramaic version of Yehoshua. Yes, varios Joshua's are refered to with the shortened name to distance them from Jews.

Now answer the point that you were referring to someone who died 70 years before Jesus was born. Jews being untrustworthy is only proof of your prejudice and refusal to apply logic.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Yeshu is the Aramaic version of Yehoshua.

Apparently you also don't have the background to know what Christ's actual name is in Aramaic, which, actually, spells nearly identical and sounds nearly the same as Yeshua.

http://www.v-a.com/bible/jesus.html

https://askdrbrown.org/library/what-original-hebrew-name-jesus-and-it-true-name-jesus-really

The other name in Aramaic and Hebrew literature of "Yeshu" has the same meaning as in the Hebrew: an insult that is only used for Jesus Christ.

I mean, literally, the first thing you see on google if you type in "Aramaic name of Jesus" is a blurb that says:

"There are no undisputed examples of any Aramaic or Hebrew text where Yeshu refers to anyone else than Jesus."

So you don't have the background to even be using a search engine.

Now answer the point

Answer the point? I won the point when you failed to explain why Jewish footnotes by Jewish scholars would identify "Yeshu" as "Jesus," using the transliterated Greek version of a name that refers only to Jesus, instead of "Joshua" or some other explanation.

That is because Yeshu isn't a name and it is only used for Jesus.

[rmlew]

Let us assum for a moment that the Yeshuas are being mocked. In so far as none are Jesus of Nazareth, what does it matter to you?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Let us assum

We need not assum [sic] that your stupidity is only matched by your stubbornness.

[rmlew]

It’s not my fault that you hate Judaism and have a psychological need to see Jesus as attacked by Jews and Judaism in a manner that Christians and Christianity have done to Jews and Judaism.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

It’s not my fault that you hate Judaism

Who could possibly love a religion that debates within itself about the sinfulness of donating blood, or even giving gifts of any kind, to Gentiles? Or that thinks eating mud from around a toilet is somehow a cure for ailments?

It is a dumb, blasphemous, completely absurd religion on par with Mormonism in its stupidity and Islam with its hatred for the goyim.

in a manner that Christians and Christianity have done to Jews and Judaism.

Don't forget God, what with the Temple being destroyed and a million or so Jews slaughtered in 70AD on the anniversary of the last time He did that via the Babylonians.

[rmlew]

Do you really want me to go through all the silly things taht Christians have discussed in 1980 years?
It is a dumb, blasphemous, completely absurd religion on par with Mormonism in its stupidity and Islam with its hatred for the goyim.

I'd take you up on your ignorance in a second. Gentiles who follow the 7 Laws of Noah are entitled to a place in the world beyond, just as righteous Jews are. As a Christian, it is easier for you than it is for me as a Jew.
Compare that to the supersessionist and supremacist views of Christians and Muslims.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Do you really want me to go through all the silly things taht Christians have discussed in 1980 years?

You could try, but very little would top the semen and s*** fantasies in the Talmud, amongst other horrible things.

[PapaBear3625]

Amish birth rate is very high, at over 6 kids per woman.

The key seems to be having women who are content to be mothers rather than going to college and getting involved in a career.

[Praxeologue]

I have seen Jewish websites lie--when writing to Gentiles anyway-- about simple things like the time the Rabbis celebrated that a man died before he could be healed by the miraculous powers of a Christian.

Could you please provide some examples.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Yes indeed. Check out this story on Christian-Jewish relations:

"During the first century of Christianity the Rabbis lived on friendly terms with the minim. Rabbi Eliezer, who denied to the heathen a share in the future life, is said to have discoursed with the Judæo-Christian Jacob of Kefar Sekanya and to have quietly listened to the interpretation of a Biblical verse he had received from Jesus ('Ab. Zarah 16b; Eccl. R. i. 8). Ben Dama, a nephew of R. Ishmael, having been bitten by a snake, allowed himself to be cured by means of an exorcism uttered by the min Jacob, a Judæo-Christian.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10846-min

So according to the Jewish Encyclopedia, compiled by top Jewish leaders, Ben Dama "allowed himself to be cured" by a Christian. This is proof of the positive relationship between Jews and Christians during the first century, before the Christians became anti-Semitic.

Now look at the same story elsewhere on the same website, compiled by the same people:

"Tanna of the beginning of the second century; a nephew of Ishmael b. Elisha. His inclination toward Hellenism and the Judæo-Christians contrasted with the attitude of his uncle, whom he once asked if he should study "Greek Wisdom," since he had finished the study of the Torah. The answer of Ishmael was: "Study the Torah day and night and 'Greek Wisdom' when it is neither day nor night." Ben Dama died of a snake's bite, and the following account is given of his last moments:

Jacob of Kefar Sama (Sakonya), a Judæo-Christian, wanted to charm away the deadly effects of the bite by formulas in the name of Jesus; but Ishmael did not believe in such charms and would not allow him to come in. Just as Ben Dama essayed to prove to his uncle that there could be no objection to the cure from a Jewish standpoint, he died, and Ishmael exclaimed, "God has shown thee mercy in that thou didst depart in peace and didst not transgress the law of the sages" (Tosef., Ḥul. ii. 22, 23; 'Ab. Zarah 27b; Yer. 'Ab. Zarah ii. 40d).

It is not improbable that Ben Dama's inclination toward the Judæo-Christians was the reason that nothing written by him was transmitted either by the Halakah or by the Haggadah, and that neither the Babylonian nor the Palestinian Talmud gives him the title "Rabbi." His title and full name have been preserved by the Tosefta (Ḥul. l.c.), which contains a halakic controversy between Ben Dama and Ishmael (Sheb." iii. 4).

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2863-ben-dama

So on one hand, Ben Dama is proof of positive relations between Jews and Christians because he allowed himself to be cured by a Christian. On the other hand, he died before he was cured, which was a blessing, and the same incident is cited as the likely reason why he is not regarded as a "Rabbi."

As for the Rabbi Eliezer, also mentioned in that first article, who supposedly respectfully listened to Jacob the Kefar (Jacob the Heretic), he says on the next page that he, listening to Jacob in the first place, was a violation of the scripture and the reason why he was arrested under suspicion of being a Christian--a heinous charge!

[cowboyusa]

But when us Jews come back to YESHUA, it is life from the dead. The root is Jewish, and Repkacment Theology is from the pit of hell.

[otness_e]

Speaking of blasphemy, one of the biggest problems with Judaism right now, in particular Talmudic Judaism, is how they treated God (and just so we’re clear, I’m NOT talking about Jesus, I’m talking about his father). Basically, the Talmud had God being so stupid that he could be tricked by a mere mortal, even if said mortal was a rabbi. And don’t get me started on how he’s apparently restrained to such an extent that he can’t do anything without what amounts to a majority vote of the Rabbis. Don’t believe me? Read this:

“Since God already gave the Torah to the Jewish people on Mt. Sinai we no longer pay attention to heavenly voices. God must submit to the decisions of a majority vote of the rabbis.” —Babylonic Talmud Bava Metzia 59b

I think the same passage, or at the very least a similarly named passage (Baba Mezia 59b.), has a Rabbi defeating God in a debate, and God admitting it (despite the fact that God, being omniscient and omnipotent, CANNOT be defeated, especially not in a debate. He’d wipe the floor with anyone who dares try before they even get to the second question).

Honestly, going by some of the stuff the Talmud promotes, I fail to see how Talmudic Judaism and Islam are any different (actually, no, I can discern at least one difference: Islam at least actually respects their God and doesn’t try to have him weakened, while the Talmudic Jews do exactly that). At this rate, if THAT’S how God is to be depicted in the Talmud, I’d rather someone like Kefka, Palpatine, or Geldoblame be God. I mean, yeah, sure, they’re complete psychopaths, but at least they aren’t restrained by a plurality and are firmly in charge:

*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-cdwDnryY0

*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtO-AHuEhJc&feature=youtu.be&t=369

Now, don’t get me wrong, I have no quarrel with Jews so long as they are firmly followers of the Torah, the WRITTEN Torah more specifically, since even Christians are bound to follow the Old Testament exempting those things Jesus directly exempted. But the Talmudic Jews are ultimately a stain due to their despicable treatment of not just Jesus and the Virgin Mary, but even of God the Father himself as well as trashing many of his laws.