France urges Trump not to move U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem

Washington Post ^ | 01/15/2017 | By Carol Morello and William Booth

[Parmy]

Easy, the agreement can and will be renegotiated. Furthermore, according to the agreements that predate all of this, Jordan was designated as the Palestinian homeland.

[Alberta's Child]

1. Then all of the other agreements there can and will be renegotiated too, I guess ... which makes the whole conversation kind of pointless.

2. Jordan was never designated as the Palestinian homeland. The original 1947 U.N. plan for the British Mandate of Palestine include three separate areas in Palestine: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and a separate area around Jerusalem that would be governed as a U.N. protectorate of some kind. The British Mandate of Palestine was completely separate from Jordan.

[Parmy]

You should go back to after WW1, when the whole area was divided up with the fall of the Ottoman’s.

[Alberta's Child]

That's a fair point. But if that's the case, let's go back to the time right after World War I and put every religious/ethnic group into the enclaves where they lived back then.

What I find interesting about this whole thing is that this is no different than any other post-colonial turmoil that is being played out over most of the world. There just happens to be more of it in the Middle East because modern human history was much longer there than anywhere else, and because there were more colonial powers in its history than there were anywhere else.

[samtheman]

Trump - the so-called “anti-Semite” - wants to move the US embassy to Jerusalem, the city at the core of Jewish aspirations. No “anti-Semite” would propose what Trump is proposing, yet Trump’s alleged anti-Semitism was one of the MSM’s main arguments against him.

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[tbpiper]

a city that Israelis have named as their capital

Yeah, like they just picked it out to aggravate the Palestinians. It has belonged to the Jews for centuries.

[Alberta's Child]

It has belonged to the Jews for centuries.

I don't know about that. LOL.

According to the Wikipedia article on Jerusalem, the city has been captured and recaptured 44 times in its history.

[Parmy]

You can even go back further. 2-3000 years ago. All of these modern tribes are an amalgamation of that history as well.

But, Carter allowed Arafat to leave Lebanon enter into the Arab sections of Israel. And, that inflamed the situation.

The other thing to be considered is that Israel is roughly the same size as New Jersey with 3 or 4 less million people. And, it is surrounded by 150 million Muslims. So, there is an enclave of democracy surrounded by a ruthless, political system that wishes to conquer the world, even though they can't operate what they now inhabit without Western help.

[SJackson]

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Well, if the French don't want it, Trump certainly won't move it.

This lack of political correctness by Trump, following Congress' directions, signed by Bill Clinton, is so entertaining. Imagine, following the law, it would age a President Hillary beyond belief.

[Ezekiel]

Characterizing it as a provocation, Jean-Marc Ayrault said he doubted that Trump would in the end actually fulfill his pledge to relocate the embassy in a city that Israelis have named as their capital and that Palestinians desire a part of to become the capital of a future Palestinian state.

The legitimate heirs claim the capital based on reality, whereas the "Palestinians" who desire the same capital aren't even a real people or real nation.

God is grounded in reality. He created it.

70 to 1, so what... Elijah was one against 450 prophets of Baal and 400 of the groves.

[Anima Mundi]

At least two years with zero terrorist attacks anywhere in the world, (state-sponsored or otherwise). Denouncement of Sharia law and all other infringements on basic human rights. They need to show good faith that they are willing and ready to join the rest of the civilized world. Even then, maybe no.

[amorphous]

70 to 1, so what...

I'm with you... Mankind seems to have lost its fear of the Almighty, again.

[Taxman]

“France urges Trump not to move U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.”

That headline, and the fact that the article is in the Washington ComPost is reason enough to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem!

[Alberta's Child]

Clinton never signed the original bill into law. For the sake of political expediency he exercised a "return veto" of the bill, which meant he neither signed it nor vetoed it -- so it became law after he failed to act on it within ten days.

None of the presidents since then ever met the terms of the law. They all exercised the waiver provision that is permitted under the law, ostensibly for "security reasons." But the real reason nobody acted on it was to avoid a constitutional showdown -- since Congress has no legal authority to dictate foreign policy to the executive branch of the U.S. government. The only real authority Congress has in these matters is to withhold funding, which they never did even though the 1995 law had a provision that reduced the funding for the U.S. State Department if the embassy wasn't moved to Jerusalem by 1999.

[Alberta's Child]

All good points. Your last one reinforces a question I have long had about the viability of many nations around the world — especially in the Middle East where the British Empire is still in the process of being carved up along various ethnic and religious lines.

[ConservaTeen]

ConservaTeen to France: Mind your own business. You are letting those CAMEL HUMPING PEDOPHILES terrorize you, but we aren’t going to let those A**HOLES terrorize us.

[ConservaTeen]

CAIR = Community of AntiAmerican Idiots and Retards

[SJackson]

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France can keep theirs in Tel Aviv. Even shut it.

[SJackson]

That's all true. You credit Clinton with political expediency rather than support, I can see that though if he were opposed a veto would be the obvious solution. Of course given the overwhelming support of both houses of Congress, the veto would have been overridden.

Obviously the bill is a sense of Congress, not binding on the executive branch, their stick being loss of funding. I'd disagree that the waiver is "ostensibly" for security reasons. if suspension is necessary to protect the national security interests of the United States is pretty clear to me. I'm sure if Donald Trump determines the location of our Embassy causes grave risk to the security of the United States, like our last three Presidents, he won't move it. If not, he will else lose the funding.

[Alberta's Child]

Of course I credit Clinton with political expediency. His entire life has been and endless series of political calculations. If he really supported the bill he would have signed it instead of allowing it to become law through that back-door process.

I say the waiver is "ostensibly" for security reasons because there's nothing that requires to the president to justify the waiver. He can wake up in a bad mood, decide he wants to keep the embassy in Tel Aviv, and sign the waiver. Or he can sign the waiver and keep the embassy in Tel Aviv because the U.S. ambassador to Israel likes the bagel shop across the street from its current location.