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To: Navin Johnson

We’ve had Medicaid and Medicare since 1965. Around the time medicine truly began to modernize.

So yes, we’ve had socialized medicine for the dirt poor since practicality the beginning of modern medicine. It was recognized it was not humane to allow AMERICANS to die and suffer when something could be done.

Obamacare came about because the number of people who cannot afford medicine has increased exponentially since then.

Mostly due to automation and tool advancements making manual jobs nearly worthless and incapable of paying for advancing medical care. And also due to the acceptability of illegals without rights working for less. Because the fewer jobs there are, the less valuable they are on the market. Eventually all of our “jobs” will be taken by intelligent machines and we need a gameplan for that.

A guy doing basic work in double shifts to pay the inflated rent with 5 candidates waiting for him to lose his job is NEVER going to pay for a heart surgery. And this guy +5 candidates’ story is repeated millions of times in this country.

The market system is clearly broken for many reasons. Hard working people doing jobs we need done are living in poverty without hope of ever getting ahead.

When I came to America I first sold fruits and then drove a taxi. Without overtime I could afford a 1 bedroom manhattan apartment, unlimited Healthcare and the best food. Not a fancy house or dream vacations but I was happy with having a base from which to grow.

Then I learned drafting at night school, eventually started my own engineering firm and bought a townhouse. THAT was the American dream you speak of.

Today we have people doing the same needed jobs in double shifts who have to squat and eat shit just to meagerly survive. Even drafters with overtime are now living in poverty at many of my competitors’ firms. BROKEN


84 posted on 01/15/2017 9:11:41 AM PST by varyouga
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To: varyouga

“WE’VE” had Medicaid/Medicare since 1965?

No, the U.S. had it since 1965. It is not socialized medicine... that is what single payer ala Canada is. Further, it was not the beginning of modern medicine.

You are no different than the dude from Vietnam that has been on FR touting Obamacare and this liberal do-gooder attitude that foreigners have when coming over here. If the U.S. was such a rotten country you would not have come here from the Ukraine. If our system here is so “broken” head back where your ancestors are now fighting Putin’s henchmen. Heck, you would not even have the opportunity to talk about it like you are right now.

The fact is there are no more people being covered now under Obamacare than there were before. Nobody has a right to someone else’s money for ANY government program- whether it be health care, social security, or food stamps. Don’t hand me your moral reasons about the guy doing double shifts, blah, blah, blah... save it for some other site like Dem Underground.

Enjoy the next four to eight years. You are about to get a lesson in true conservatism and American exceptionalism.


89 posted on 01/15/2017 11:15:13 AM PST by Navin Johnson
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