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Why America's Marines are Turning Their MV-22 Ospreys Into Assault Gunships
Scout Warrior ^ | Dec 22, 2015 | Kris Osborn

Posted on 12/23/2016 5:50:07 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

The U.S. Marine Corps is progressing with a new project to arm its MV-22 Osprey aircraft with new weapons such as laser-guided 2.75in rockets, missiles and heavy guns - a move which would expand the tiltrotor's mission set beyond supply, weapons and forces transport to include a wider range of offensive and defensive combat missions, Corps officials said.

"Currently, NSWC (Naval Surface Warfare Center) Dahlgren explored the use of forward firing rockets, missiles, fixed guns, a chin mounted gun, and also looked at the use of a 30MM gun along with gravity drop rockets and guided bombs deployed from the back of the V-22. The study that is being conducted will help define the requirements and ultimately inform a Marine Corps decision with regards to armament of the MV-22B Osprey," Marine Corps spokeswoman Capt. Sarah Burns told Scout Warrior in a written statement.

Adding weapons to the Osprey would naturally allow the aircraft to better defend itself should it come under attack from small arms fire, missiles or surface rockets while conducting transport missions; in addition, precision fire will enable the Osprey to support amphibious operations with suppressive or offensive fire as Marines approach enemy territory.

Furthermore, weapons will better facilitate an Osprey-centric tactic known as "Mounted Vertical Maneuver" wherein the tiltrotor uses its airplane speeds and helicopter hover and maneuver technology to transport weapons such as mobile mortars and light vehicles, supplies and Marines behind enemy lines for a range of combat missions -- to include surprise attacks.

The initial steps in the process will include arming the V-22 are to select a Targeting-FLIR, improve Digital Interoperability and designate Integrated Aircraft Survivability Equipment solutions. Integration of new weapons could begin as early as 2019 if the initiatives stay on track and are funded, Burns added.

Burns added that "assault support" will remain as the primary mission of the MV-22 Osprey, regardless of the weapons solution selected.

"Both the air and ground mission commanders will have more options with the ability to provide immediate self-defense and collective defense of the flight. Depending on the weapons ultimately selected, a future tiltrotor could provide a range of capabilities spanning from self-defense on the lighter side to providing a gunship over watch capability on the heavier scale," Burns explained.

So far, Osprey maker Bell-Boeing has delivered 290 MV-22s out of a planned 360 program of record.

This story originally appeared in Scout Warrior

Laser-guided Hyra 2.75inch folding fin rockets, such as those currently being fired from Apache attack helicopters, could give the Osprey a greater precision-attack technology. One such program firing 2.75in rockets with laser guidance is called Advanced Precision Kill Weapons System, or APKWS.

Bell-Boeing designed a special pylon on the side of the aircraft to ensure common weapons carriage. The Corps is now analyzing potential requirements for weapons on the Osprey, considering questions such as the needed stand-off distance and level of lethality.

"We did a demonstration with Bell where we took some rockets and we put them on a pylon on the airplane using APKWS. We also did some 2.75 guided rockets, laser guided weapons and the griffin missile. We flew laser designators to laser-designate targets to prove you could do it," Rick Lemaster - Director of Business Development, Bell-Boeing, told Scout Warrior in an interview.

Lemaster also added that the Corps could also arm the MV-22 with .50-cal or 7.62mm guns.

New Osprey Variant in 2030

The Marine Corps is in the early stages of planning to build a new, high-tech MV-22C variant Osprey tiltrotor aircraft to enter service by the mid-2030s, service officials said.

While many of the details of the new aircraft are not yet available, Corps officials told Scout Warrior that the MV-22C will take advantage of emerging and next-generation aviation technologies.

The Marine Corps now operates more than 250 MV-22 Ospreys around the globe and the tiltrotor aircraft are increasingly in demand, Corps officials said.

“This upgrade will ensure that the Marine Corps has state-of-the-art, medium-lift assault support for decades to come,” Corps spokesman Maj. Paul Greenberg told Scout Warrior in a written statement.

The Osprey is, among other things, known for its ability to reach speeds of 280 knots and achieve a much greater combat radius than conventional rotorcraft.

Due to its tiltrotor configuration, the Osprey can hover in helicopter mode for close-in surveillance and vertical landings for things like delivering forces, equipment and supplies – all while being able to transition into airplane mode and hit fixed-wing aircraft speeds. This gives the aircraft an ability to travel up 450 nautical miles to and from a location on a single tank of fuel, Corps officials said.

“Since 2007, the MV-22 has continuously deployed in a wide range of extreme conditions, from the deserts of Iraq and Libya to the mountains of Afghanistan and Nepal, as well as aboard amphibious shipping. Between January 2007 and August 2015, Marine Corps MV-22s flew more than 178,000 flight hours in support of combat operations,” Greenberg added.

Corps officials said the idea with the new Osprey variant is to build upon the lift, speed and versatility of the aircraft’s tiltrotor technology and give the platform more performance characteristics in the future. While few specifics were yet available -- this will likely include improved sensors, mapping and digital connectivity, even greater speed and hover ability, better cargo and payload capacity, next-generation avionics and new survivability systems such as defenses against incoming missiles and small arms fire.

Greenberg also added that the MV-22C variant aircraft will draw from technologies now being developed for the Army-led Future Vertical Lift program involved in engineering a new fleet of more capable, high-tech aircraft for the mid-2030s

“The MV-22C will take advantage of technologies spurred by the ongoing joint multi-role and future vertical lift efforts, and other emerging technology initiatives,” Greenberg added.

The U.S. Army is currently immersed in testing with two industry teams contracted to develop and build a fuel-efficient, high-speed, high-tech, next-generation medium-lift helicopter to enter service by 2030.

The effort is aimed at leveraging the best in helicopter and aircraft technology in order to engineer a platform that can both reach the high-speeds of an airplane while retaining an ability to hover like a traditional helicopter, developers have said.

The initiate is looking at developing a wide range of technologies including lighter-weight airframes to reduce drag, different configurations and propulsion mechanisms, more fuel efficient engines, the potential use of composite materials and a whole range of new sensor technologies to improve navigation, targeting and digital displays for pilots.

Requirements include an ability to operate in what is called “high-hot” conditions, meaning 95-degrees Fahrenheit and altitudes of 6,000 feet where helicopters typically have difficulty operating. In high-hot conditions, thinner air and lower air-pressure make helicopter maneuverability and operations more challenging.

The Army’s Joint Multi-Role Technology Demonstrator, or JMR TD, program has awarded development deals to Bell Helicopter-Textron and Sikorsky-Boeing teams to build “demonstrator” aircraft by 2017 to help inform the development of a new medium-class helicopter.

Textron Inc.’s Bell Helicopter is building a tilt-rotor aircraft called the Bell V-280 Valor – and the Sikorsky-Boeing team is working on early testing of its SB>1 Defiant coaxial rotor-blade design. A coaxial rotor blade configuration uses counter-rotating blades with a thrusting technology at the back of the aircraft to both remain steady and maximize speed, hover capacity and maneuverability.

The Bell V-280 offering is similar to the Osprey in that it is a tiltrotor aircraft.

Planned missions for the new Future Vertical Lift aircraft include cargo, utility, armed scout, attack, humanitarian assistance, MEDEVAC (medical evacuation), anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, land/sea search and rescue, special warfare support and airborne mine countermeasures, Army officials have said.

Other emerging technology areas being explored for this effort include next-generation sensors and navigation technologies, autonomous flight and efforts to see through clouds, dust and debris described as being able to fly in a “degraded visual environment.”

Meanwhile, while Corps officials say they plan to embrace technologies from this Army-led program for the new Osprey variant, they also emphasize that the Corps is continuing to make progress with technological improvements to the MV-22.

These include a technology called V-22 Aerial Refueling System, or VARS, to be ready by 2018, Greenberg explained.

“The Marine Corps Osprey with VARS will be able to refuel the F-35B Lightning II with about 4,000 pounds of fuel at VARS' initial operating capability. MV-22B VARS capacity will increase to 10,000 pounds of fuel by 2019. This will significantly enhance the F-35B's range, as well as the aircraft's ability to remain on target for a longer period,” he told Scout Warrior.

The aerial refueling technology on the Osprey will refuel helicopters at 110 knots and fixed-wing aircraft at 220 knots, Lemaster added.

"The intent is to be able to have the aircraft on board the ship have the auxiliary tanks on board. An aircraft can then fill up, trail out behind the Osprey about 90-feet," he explained.

The VARS technology will also be able to refuel other aircraft such as the CH-53E/K, F-18, AV-8B Harrier jet and other V-22s, Greenberg added.

The Corps is also developing technology to better network Osprey aircraft through an effort called “Digital Interoperability,” or DI. This networks Osprey crews such that Marines riding in the back can have access to relevant tactical and strategic information while in route to a destination. DI is now being utilized by the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit and is slated to be operational by 2017.

Kris Osborn became the Managing Editor of Scout Warrior in August of 2015. His role with Scout.com includes managing content on the Scout Warrior site and generating independently sourced original material. Scout Warrior is aimed at providing engaging, substantial military-specific content covering a range of key areas such as weapons, emerging or next-generation technologies and issues of relevance to the military. Just prior to coming to Scout Warrior, Osborn served as an Associate Editor at the Military.com. Osborn previously served at the Pentagon as a Highly Qualified Expert with the Office of the Assistant Secretary of the Army - Acquisition, Logistics & Technology. Osborn has also worked as an anchor and on-air military specialist at CNN and CNN Headline News. This story originally appeared in Scout Warrior.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aviation; aviationping; banglist; bell; guns; marineaviation; military; mv22; usmc
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To: fso301

B-25 or A-20?


41 posted on 12/23/2016 7:18:49 AM PST by Sirius Lee (If Trump loses, America dies)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Oh good!

It already carries only half the initial payload requirement and has half the range, so let’s load it down with munitions so it can perform the A-10 mission at half the speed.


42 posted on 12/23/2016 7:23:41 AM PST by G Larry (America now has the opportunity to return to God.)
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To: Sirius Lee
B-25 or A-20?

B-25 had the 75mm cannon.

43 posted on 12/23/2016 7:31:16 AM PST by fso301
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To: sukhoi-30mki

whoda guessed? Theater commanders need gun ships, retrofit $72 million Osprey to do the job of $6 million Blackhawk. Which it ain’t as good as in ground support role.

Ditto replacement of A-10 by B-1/F-35.

We need to end the doctrine that bankrupting the country / disarming the military by spending all procurement dollars on grossly overpriced weapons is a good thing.


44 posted on 12/23/2016 7:34:35 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: sukhoi-30mki
“The Marine Corps Osprey with VARS will be able to refuel the F-35B Lightning II with about 4,000 pounds of fuel at VARS' initial operating capability. MV-22B VARS capacity will increase to 10,000 pounds of fuel by 2019. This will significantly enhance the F-35B's range, as well as the aircraft's ability to remain on target for a longer period,” he told Scout Warrior.

This can come in very useful. The Osprey doesn't need a carrier. It can land and take off from a regular ship's helicopter pad.

Youtube: V22 Osprey Landing on supply ship USNS Sacagawea

If a ship's helicopter pad is too small, or it doesn't even have a pad, the V-22 would be able to hover over a ship, drop a fuel line, suck up fuel, then go refuel an F-35.

45 posted on 12/23/2016 7:52:02 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: M-cubed

OH-58C with the back doors off. You wore a harness connected to the opposite seatbelt and had a grunt M-60 with a shoulder strap. 2/17 Cav.


46 posted on 12/23/2016 7:52:39 AM PST by ebshumidors
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To: Gaffer

A lesson we learned in Vietnam. Helicopters are great, armed helicopters are better. I can’t imagine any commander not wanting to improve the survivability of an Osprey or it’s crew. Of course, there is a diminishing return, too much external load, loss of performance.


47 posted on 12/23/2016 7:53:25 AM PST by pfflier
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To: CCGuy
Long overdue. The Osprey has suffered from the fact that it was lighter armed than the Black Hawks and other platforms it replaced.

Under the 1948 "Key West Agreement", the Air Force is supposed to own all armed fixed-wing aircraft. The Army gets to have armed rotary-wing aircraft.

Trump should revisit this.

48 posted on 12/23/2016 8:04:13 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Fixed wing glide range is great, but at the end, you still hit the ground flying above stall speed (hopefully).

With a helo you can usually zero forward airspeed AND rate of descent.

Caveat - with a heavy helo, like the CH-53, your final rate of descent is still high enough that you’ll shove the landing gear up through the sponsons, unless you can do a roll-on landing to a hard surface.


49 posted on 12/23/2016 8:04:38 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("The church ... is not the master or the servant of the state, but the conscience" - Luther)
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To: 9422WMR
That thing still has no glide capacity in case of engine failure:-O

It glides well enough to get to the scene of the crash.

50 posted on 12/23/2016 8:11:42 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (It's gonna be bloody.)
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To: rodguy911

Look over your shoulder ... And you, without much of anything on your bio, ask me?


51 posted on 12/23/2016 8:12:28 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Lurker

Would love to see the Marines get some A-10 Warthogs for this mission. Might take some doing to make it carrier capable; but not unprecedented. The F-86 Sabre Jet was modified as the FJ Fury. The F-22 and F-35 aircraft will be used by Marines, Navy and Air Force.

Semper fi
Do or die


52 posted on 12/23/2016 8:13:30 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: rodguy911; okie01
I don't know aircraft at all but your logic seems impeccable.

Logic only operates within the parameters we specify, however. Okie01 raised some additional important points to consider in post 40:

Me: I don't believe the Osprey's have anywhere near that kind of toughness.

Okie01: The A-10's job is to get up-close-and-personal with the enemy at ground level. Consequently, it's highly offensive...and built tough.

The Osprey's job is to deliver troops and supplies to forward areas -- which the A-10 can't do. It would be a good thing if the Osprey could defend itself -- and pass out a little punishment -- while it's performing this role./p>

He's absolutely right; they are two different aircraft, designed for two different missions. I agree with him that giving the Osprey the ability to defend itself is a good thing. My problem was the article seemed to imply that the Marines thought it could replace the A-10 as an offensive CAS (close air support) platform. I'm an admitted A-10 fan, and think we should just give it to the Army. (I also don't much care for the inter-service rivalry argument, wherein the Air Force doesn't want it, but they don't want the Army to have it even less.)

53 posted on 12/23/2016 8:14:34 AM PST by tarheelswamprat (gh)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Most Impressive is the ability of the author to insert two of the most overpriced, under-performing, highest maintenance cost, lowest lift capacity aircraft, since the wright brothers first flight, into a single article!

F35B and Osprey in same Article: Now that is some world-class Bunk!.


54 posted on 12/23/2016 8:15:10 AM PST by Gunner TLW
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To: Dustoff45

Then there was the armed up CH-47 “Guns-a-go-go” program early in the Vietnam ground war. Some old footage on youtube & some articles on line.

In Vietnam I heard rumors of weaponized Chinooks used for QRF/perimeter defense. Never saw one though; I was in my Huey doing other missions.


55 posted on 12/23/2016 8:16:50 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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To: CCGuy

“The Osprey has suffered from the fact that it was lighter armed than the Black Hawks and other platforms it replaced.”

Not the USAF ones. They have a chaingun.


56 posted on 12/23/2016 8:16:51 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Proyecto Anonimo
My T34 in Pensacola had a Vne of 280.

I’m a dinosaur, like a lot of readers I would imagine.

Who are you calling a dinosaur, you young whipper-snapper! If you were in a T-34 with a Vne of 280kts, it must have been one of them new fangled T-34 Charlies. The "Teeny-Weenie" (T-34B) had a Vne of about 165, IIRC.

/S

Now the T-28 B/C would get on down the road!

57 posted on 12/23/2016 8:16:59 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("The church ... is not the master or the servant of the state, but the conscience" - Luther)
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To: 9422WMR

Auto rotation, look it up.


58 posted on 12/23/2016 8:17:46 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: rodguy911

Pure fantasy.


59 posted on 12/23/2016 8:20:32 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They need to be turned into the scrap yard and museums.


60 posted on 12/23/2016 8:21:01 AM PST by Uncle Sam 911
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