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Donald Trump says U.S. doesn't make TVs anymore
Politifact.com ^ | 3/14/16 | W. Fiske

Posted on 12/16/2016 6:58:35 PM PST by central_va

We have re-rated the statement as True and removed the older report from Trump's Truth-O-Meter record.

TRUE


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: free; freetrade; manufacturing; marx; sucks; television; televisionset; trade; trump; tvsets
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To: TomGuy

The question is how much of the lower cost of electronics today is due to virtual slave labor costs in China et al and how much is due to improvements in technology and automation or differences in environmental or other regulations on manufacturing.


101 posted on 12/16/2016 10:17:11 PM PST by Kellis91789 (We hope for a bloodless revolution, but revolution is still the goal.)
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To: AFreeBird

Magnavox got screwed and Philips ran off to Europe.

I was lucky and Square D called two weeks earlier.

The room couldn’t believe it, me either. I was just a contractor but it was bad.

The home for the workers was gone. I had a place to go, the others, not so much.


102 posted on 12/16/2016 10:19:36 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: americas.best.days...

They show up to flip burgers and pack products in warehouses for $8/hr, why wouldn’t they show up at a factory to make 3 times more ?

I think the key is in economies of scale. If America made a decision to become the world’s factory again, where automation produced 5 times the product using 2 times the current number of workers we could have high paying jobs and fill not only our own store shelves but the world’s.


103 posted on 12/16/2016 10:35:30 PM PST by Kellis91789 (We hope for a bloodless revolution, but revolution is still the goal.)
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To: Kellis91789

Amen. Fantastic post.


104 posted on 12/16/2016 10:42:13 PM PST by Kudsman (Trump or bust 2016!)
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To: riverdawg

“We will never have the level of manufacturing employment we had before 1975, largely because of labor-saving technological change.”

Unions opposed every push for automation because it reduced the number of workers required. That was partly manufacturers fault, though. They should have pushed automation as a way to increase production and decrease costs rather than jobs. The less labor embedded in a product, the lower the cost and the less advantage slave labor countries have over us. R&D and tooling and automation costs need to be spread over a larger number of units than the US market can absorb. Even 30 million TVs per year for the US market is not enough to amortize the cost of R&D and tooling for new plants when display technology changes so fast — from CRT to DLP RPTV to Plasma to LCD to LED to OLED and from NTSC/PAL to 1080i to 1080P to 4K in less than 20 years. If the market is the whole world and 500 million TVs each year, those fixed costs become much less per unit.


105 posted on 12/16/2016 10:55:24 PM PST by Kellis91789 (We hope for a bloodless revolution, but revolution is still the goal.)
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To: Kellis91789

Sometime after 09/13, the startup date for Elements.


106 posted on 12/17/2016 2:05:55 AM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: central_va

I can remember in the 50’s going to the drug store with my father when our tv would go on the fritz. Was usually the vertical or horizontal hold.
They had a machine where you would plug in tubes that you took out of your tv to see if they were good or not. If bad you could buy a replacement.
Sometimes it worked. Sometimes it didn’t.


107 posted on 12/17/2016 3:36:03 AM PST by Palio di Siena
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To: yarddog
Made Assembled in the USA
108 posted on 12/17/2016 3:42:14 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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To: unixfox
Element Electronics is an American-owned producer of flat panel televisions. Element began producing flat panel TVs in March 2012 in a factory in Detroit. The company opened a second plant in South Carolina, which is estimated to bring 500 jobs to the area over a period of five years. The brand is carried by Walmart, Target, and other...

I bought a 40" Element TV from Walmart in December, 2012 for $187 plus $40 for a five year, 100% guarantee both parts and labor and it has been perfect. I pay that much for my cable bill every MONTH.

BUY AMERICAN!!!

109 posted on 12/17/2016 3:48:33 AM PST by USS Alaska (Kill all muslim, terrorist savages, with extreme prejudice!!!)
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To: bigtoona
What’s scary is that if we went into another world war, we are toast because we make NOTHING here anymore. We would not be able to build weapons on a mass scale. China could convert its factories in a heartbeat.

We make nukes here. That's all that the next World War will use. It'll be over quickly.

110 posted on 12/17/2016 3:51:38 AM PST by Drew68
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To: virgil
TV manufacturing left the US long ago. I think late 70s or 80s.

Prior to that, a color TV was a major family investment, costing 2-3 months salary and expected to last for 15 years. And when it broke, you took it to a TV repairman who fixed it.

Today's TVs cost only a couple weeks' salaries, if even that. The Samsung 65" 4K I paid $2400 for a mere 18 months ago is now selling for under a grand. They may last 7-8 years but they're technologically outdated long before that. When they break, you leave it on the curb for the trash collector.

111 posted on 12/17/2016 3:55:24 AM PST by Drew68
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To: central_va

The US Military uses politically correct non-leaded bullets these days - less range, less accurate I’m told. We are Green! Saving the planet by losing wars!


112 posted on 12/17/2016 4:29:00 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: virgil

I sold TV’s in the 80’s. I think the last American made set was a Zenith console in 1987.


113 posted on 12/17/2016 4:39:11 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kellis91789

Sort of the same memory - watching my dad - must have been 1949 or 50 - hand assemble a big TV I think he bought as a kit. He had put a giant antenna up on the roof - must have been 15 feet tall. We lived just a few miles from the RCA labs on US 1 in NJ.

One of the final steps was to tune the set. He has me watch the screen as he fiddled in back saying, “Anything yet?” I would say no and he’d continue fiddling.

At one point, I was speechless as there was a picture on the set. I said, “Dad, there’s a monkey eating a banana in color!” He didn’t believe me and kept fiddling until some B&W show appeared.

It really happened it turned out: RCA was experimenting on that day with a way to broadcast color over a B&W signal. Never went anywhere but was very interesting idea.


114 posted on 12/17/2016 4:40:33 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Dogbert41

How about the 15 minute ones from the 40s and 50s - the Magic Slicer Dicer comes to mind?


115 posted on 12/17/2016 4:42:42 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Drew68
"We make MADE nukes here."
116 posted on 12/17/2016 4:44:54 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

“Element” is not a manufacturer in that article, so it must be OLDER than that.

My point stands — an article should have a dateline, especially if it is going to refer to “as of the date this was written”.


117 posted on 12/17/2016 5:13:27 AM PST by Kellis91789 (We hope for a bloodless revolution, but revolution is still the goal.)
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To: CurlyDave
So, that $30 hour of labor comes to about $900 more in the price of the TV.

That is crazy talk. Nuts. If you think TV's made in America would cost an additional $900.00 per TV because of US labor then you are just too stupid to even be in this conversation. The globalists have brain washed you.

118 posted on 12/17/2016 5:42:13 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kellis91789

I am not for regulations but they are really not a huge problem. Lets say a manufactures has to install an air purification system in their factory. Let’s say it cost $1,000,000 to install. Lets’ say they produce 1,000,000 widget per year. That comes out to $1.00 per widget to the consumer if amortized over one year. Most capital expenditures have a 5 year amortization making it now $.20 to the consumer. I personally do not think we should be de industrializing and offshoring over $.20.


119 posted on 12/17/2016 5:50:35 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Drew68

There will never be another nuke used in anger again. SO the globalist want to nuke everyone. That is our security then? Screw that.


120 posted on 12/17/2016 5:53:34 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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