Posted on 12/16/2016 2:00:16 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Not going to happen folks—its like the stars who said they would move to Canada or Cuba if Trump won. If any real attempt came—the state would fall into two parts-—Pro Trump, East and the Anti-Trump in west and coastal. Trump would use Civil war as a template—ask for 75,000 volunteers, for a six month enlistment—and invade. Then Reconstruction of the state. All Talk—Liberal Butt Hurt reaction that their lady lost. the Battle of Hollywood would be short and swift.
Thanks, that's usually my line on these secession threads. ;'}
And once patriots work with Trump to put a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes, taxes that corrupt Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers, the states will probably find a tsunami of new revenues that they won’t know what to do with.
“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.
Let them buy land from Mexico and move there.
But doesn’t California supply us with most of our fruits and nuts?
South Carolina didn't “try” to secede - they did secede. Later, when it was determined it was in the union's best interest to acknowledge the fact, the federal government required South Carolina and other former states to be readmitted to the union.
Lincoln, of course, pretended they couldn't secede and that was the official basis for Lincoln's War and all the killings. Six hundred thousand by some accounts.
southern slavers unhinged because they lost an election, pretended to secede and within weeks took to armed insurrection to force their way out of their union commitments. That was the official basis for the Slaver’s War and all the killings. Six hundred thousand by some accounts.
Not counting women, children, death from wounds after the fact, disease due to wounds, loss of livelihood-style suicides, etc.
I’d love for CA to try and secede without “permission”. The rest of us could invade, occupy, loot and impoverish CA for the next hundred years. ‘Cause that’s what happened last time someone tried.
Plus, the “net maker” thing relates to the PEOPLE of the state, and the wealth they generate as part of the USA.
The state itself is just another welfare state in a long line of them.
How in the world would an “independent” California support its enormous welfare population?
The people’s wealth would immediately begin to dissipate in part because the tariffs to do business with the USA would erode their bottom lines; plus, the people of independent California would have to pay 100 percent of the welfare tab.
It has been consistently shown for many years. Yes it takes all of those things into account.
I think it is “fake news” on the conservative blogosphere, that California is a dismal place.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union
“Southern slavers” . . . why use that term? It kind of sounds like an attempt to play the race card by someone harboring a hateful grudge.
While on the topic of slavers, let's do a roll call of the slave states that all agreed to incorporate slavery into the U. S. constitution: New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Rhode Island.
And I almost forgot the other four: Virginia, North, Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia.
“Though President Obama would probably have held the door open had Texas tried to secede during his presidency, President-elect Trump is not likely to let California go in peace.”
I’m not sure that I would agree with the above - Democrats, like Fascists anywhere are not content to rule their little fifedom, but rather want to RULE OVER PEOPLE, particularly people that they DESPISE, such as Texans, for starters...they want to shove their lifestyle, hate and all, right IN OUR FACES, they would NEVER let Texas go - that simple.
As to Trump regarding California...he just might let it go.
Only if you're an idiot. You're not an idiot, are you?
While on the topic of slavers...yada yada yada
What's your point (if any)?
“California does not have the moral or legal justification to secede and I don’t think the federal government should allow it without some kind of compelling justification.”
Who would determine that California does, or does not, have a moral justification?
Would it be the people of California, or some independent second party - say, for example, the King of England?
Not to mention any big quake and they’d have to go to int’l aid procurement. Would insurers underwrite a risk with no US backing?
You had used the word “slavers” and so I mentioned which of the original states had agreed to write slavery into the U.S. constitution. The slave states that wrote slavery into the constitution (and the Declaration of Independence) were New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, and Rhode Island. And, yes, Virginia, North, Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia.
I know this is a sensitive subject but I thought it best not to hide it. If I had agreed to hide it, how would that have looked?
That way they don't get lynched by the sane people in California.
They get murdered by the drug cartels instead.
And we all live happily ever after.
The End.
What’s “sensitive” about it?
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