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To: Nero Germanicus
Hospitals don’t typically keep records of routine procedures from 56 years ago. The Certificate of Live Birth documents the event and additionally there was the “Health Bureau Statistics” column in the August 13, 1961 Honolulu Sunday Advertiser newspaper and the “Marriage Applications, Births, Deaths” column in the August 14, 1961 Honolulu Star-Bulletin newspaper which both list the Obama birth occuring on August 4, 1961.

It is beyond question that Obama was born at or around this time. The salient question is whether or not he was actually born in Hawaii, and that explanation doesn't fit very well with the available facts. You know very well that his mother was in Seattle in the later half of August, and this bit of evidence does not comport with a Hawaiian birth.

Here's what I consider to be a more probable explanation. Racist parents Stanley and Madeline Dunham being furious that their daughter had ended up getting pregnant by a black guy, sent her "away" to have the baby in secret and thereafter give it up for adoption. (The adoption part is confirmed by a letter from Barack Obama's Senior.)

She was sent to live with Aunt Elenore who was at that time either living in Canada, or in Blaine Washington, which was right on the border with Canada. (Sending embarrassing pregnancies away to live with relatives was a very common practice in 1961.)

If either location is true, Stanley Ann likely ended up giving birth in a Canadian hospital. Upon further reflection she decided to keep the baby rather than give him up for adoption as the original plan called for, and upon informing her mother of his birth, her mother immediately set out to insure he received American citizenship rather than Canadian.

Madeline Dunham filed the paperwork which automatically generated those newspaper announcements. Hawaiian law allowed up to a year for the child to be examined by a physician in order to claim Hawaiian birth.

Given Hawaii's laxity in birth laws, this scenario is easily realizable. It also makes quite a lot of sense from several angles. Certainly more sense than the idea that Stanley Ann just decides to leave her familial support system at a vulnerable period in her life.

305 posted on 12/19/2016 6:50:42 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Here’s some of the available evidence for a Hawaii birth (stuff that is in print) that would need to be successfully impeached by an attorney or congressional committee:
1) Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth has been verified three times by the Hawaii state Registrar Alvin Onaka (twice for state Secretaries of State in Arizona and Kansas and once for a federal judge in Mississippi) and three statements of authenticity have been issued in press releases by two Hawaii Directors of Health (Dr. Fukino and Loretta Fuddy). Under Article IV, Section 1 of the Constitution, Arizona and Kansas afforded the birth certificate “full faith and credit, as did the Mississippi federal court judge.
2) Hawaii’s Governor from 2002 until 2010, Linda Lingle stated in a radio interview that “its been established, he was born here. And that’s a fact.”
3) 1960-1964 Birth Index Data for the Obama Hawaii birth is published on the Hawaii Department of Health’s web site.
4) “Health Bureau Statistics” data for the birth was published in the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser on August 13, 1961
5) Listing of “Marriage Applications, Births and Deaths was published in the August 14, 1961 edition of the Honolulu Star-Bulletin.
6) A Freedom of Information Act request released Immigration and Naturalization Service Officer William Wood’s memo on the Student Visa Extension application interview with Barack Obama Senior conducted on August 31, 196. The memo documents the birth of a son to a U.S. citizen wife in Honolulu on 8/4/61.
7) September 14, 1967 Immigration and Naturalization Service Agent W.L. Mix documents that Lolo Soetoro has a U.S. citizen step son born in Honolulu on 8/4/61
8) January 1, 1968 application for Obama to attend Santo Franciskus Asissi Catholic School in Jakarta, Indonesia lists “Honolulu, Hawaii” as Barack Obama’s birthplace.
9) February 6, 1990 New York Times profile of Obama when he was elected President of Volume for the Harvard Law Review mentions Hawaii as his birthplace.
10) February 7, 1990 profile of Obama in the Chicago Tribune lists Hawaii as his birthplace.
11) February 8, 1990 profile of Obama in the Washington Post discusses his birth in Hawaii.
12) May 3, 1990 profile of Obama in the Chicago Daily Herald says that he was born in Hawaii.
13) Columbia University magazine “Columbia Today” did an article on Barack Obama for its Fall, 1990 edition. The article states that he was born in Hawaii.
14) Chicago Magazine article in the January, 1993 edition says Obama was born in Hawaii.
15) Chicago Tribune article of February 10, 1993 “25 Chicagoans On The Road To Making A Difference” lists Barack Obama, born in Hawaii.”
16) August 7, 1995 Los Angeles Times review of “Dreams From My Father” written by Barack Obama states that he was born in Hawaii.
17) October 1, 1999: Obama’s Illinois state Senate page lists Hawaii as his birthplace.
18) January 22, 2003 Chicago Daily Herald article on Obama’s Senate campaign states that Obama was born in Hawaii.
19) June 24, 2004 Time Magazine article on Obama running for the U.S. Senate says that he was born in Hawaii.
20) Obama’s U.S. Passport lists Hawaii as his birthplace.
21) U.S. House Resolution 593 (111th Congress) contains a “whereas clause” stating that “the 44th President of the United States was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.” the resolution passed the House on a vote of 378-0.


308 posted on 12/19/2016 10:54:42 AM PST by Nero Germanicus
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Madeline Dunham filed the paperwork which automatically generated those newspaper announcements. Hawaiian law allowed up to a year for the child to be examined by a physician in order to claim Hawaiian birth.”

However “up to a year” is irrelevant since Obama’s mother, not grandmother, signed the certificate for the birth on August 7, 1961 and Dr. Sinclair signed the certificate on August 8, 1961 for a birth that occurred at 7:24 pm on Friday August 4, 1961. The birth was reported a week later (August 13, 1961) in the newspaper.

Here’s the only “paperwork.” When an expectant mother checks in to the hospital a Certificate of Live Birth is generated with a pre-stamped registration number. After the child is born, the attending physician and the mother sign the Certificate of Live Birth and it goes to a Local Registrar who stamps it and signs it. Verna K.L. Lee who was the local registrar who signed the Obama birth certificate is still alive and living in a nursing home.

The newspapers get their “Health Bureau Statistics” data from that process.

If someone can find proof of delayed registration of the birth, that would be big.


314 posted on 12/19/2016 11:34:58 AM PST by Nero Germanicus
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