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[GonzoII]

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[GregNH]

There were no announcements in the paper.

[Fred Nerks]

He's about the same age at the beach and on the tricycle. The photo with Scott Inoue is noted by Scott's mother as being from 1969.

Maya tells us in one of her many autobiographicals, in none of which the dates match up as to her travels, that she went to stay with her brother in Honolulu for six months after MX was killed. She writes that she sang in nightclubs while she was living there. Bailey, she tells us was an addict. Incarcerated twice, one for burglary, a victimless crime, she called it. These people fascinate me. Once, when she disturbed what she thought was an intruder, she shot him through a closed door. Four shots apparently. It's not so victimless when someone does it to you...is it?

No idea where these photographs were taken? The older one, maybe at some beach shack in Hawaii? He's a year or so old, it's summer...but Stanley Ann wasn't in Hawaii until summer 1963.

Then Mark Ndesandjo shows us these two little boys and tries to tell us the boy on the left is his little brother David. He wants us to believe that's him, Mark on the right. Unfortunately for Mark, he's left his run a little late in the mythos, neither of those children are who he wants us to believe they are. The younger of the two is zero, the other boy would appear to be some seven months older.

Born in January, was he?

[jonrick46]

I went to a FR thread given to me by little jerimiah. The first post was 4/11/2011 and the last post. #2191, by jane long, was on 12/17/2016. I saw lots of debate about Stanley Ann’s enrollment at the U of W and her presence in Seattle. It was hard to wade through all the comments. Much of it hinged on the phone book listing of Stanley Ann as Anna Obama and the wild conclusions that went all over the map. One comment doubted that Stanley Ann even was the real mother and that baby Zer0 was adopted. The birth certificate situation was an effort to hide the fact that Zer0 was adopted and his entire history was a fabrication.

You will see some of the FReepers on that thread as you find on this one.

If your eyes are strong and want to take the time going through the whirlwind, you can check out the thread here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2702976/posts?q=1&;page=2101

[jonrick46]

Fantasywriter, you are listed as on the ping list from that 2011 thread! This debate has gone full circle.

[elengr]

Sorry Fred for not pinging you. I do not frequent FR obsessively like I do some other sites, so I am somewhat weak on protocol here. I did not ping you because my query did not involve you directly and my reference to you was (I thought) only positive.

Truth be told, from reading some (a lot) of your many posts and observing the amount of research, the detail and logic with which you have pursued uncovering the truth about who aka obama really is, I look to you as the one most likely to know the answer.

I do not have a particular agenda about aka obama’s true identity in which I am invested. All I know with certainty is that he is a criminal identity fraud and it is very unlikely that anything about his nativity story is true.

If you go by looks (better than nothing, but iffy at best), then he is not the son of Obama Sr., nor of FM Davis, nor of the Subud guy (who only looked superficially like aka at one point in his life). However, aka obama does reasonably resemble his purported maternal grandfather (who some claim is his actual father with an unnamed black woman).

Going just by looks, the best fit by far is Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf. He is a dead ringer (I wish, regarding the dead part) for a blend of their features (he has her eye-bags and chin, the rest more like X, with ears matching both).

However, although appearance may tend to narrow down matches, it is far from conclusive. My great-great grandparents were well-to-do, lived in China and took many family photos from when photography first became available. Great-great grandmother was Japanese (Hiroshima born) and her husband was a Danish diplomat. They had eleven children and their variety in appearance is astounding ranging the gamete from totally Japanese through 50-50 blend to totally Caucasian.

This branch of my family lived into their 90s and 100s. I have one memory of great-great grandmother in a wheelchair and my great grandmother lived until I was in college. She looked 100 percent Japanese to me, her oldest sister looked British (where she ended up living out her life) and her youngest brother looked like Mr. Clean (a genie-like figure on the bottle of cleaning liquid). He had strongman muscles, was completely bald with oriental eye-folds and vivid green eyes. The point is that I know first hand that looks can be deceiving regarding parentage. Even though Obama Sr. or FM Davis don’t really resemble aka obama, that is far from conclusive.

I also understand that there has been some underhanded acrimony between the various aka-obama nativity camps here on Free Republic, which makes it risky to trust unknown freepers. My only agenda is that aka obama is a criminal identity fraud and an illegitimate, anti-American president who by rights should be in prison (or worse). As far as his true identity goes, the only thing I have about that is a burning curiosity to know the truth and that I believe you and your silent researcher friends are my best bet at getting there.

Fair Dinkum — elengr

[Fantasywriter]

‘You mention Corsi.’

No, I didn’t. I mentioned Cashill.

Can you answer a simple question? Why would two Leftist/Progressive universities collude to commit academic fraud, if the upshot is to delegitimize the Left’s favorite president, Obama? If they had resolved to risk their reputations with brazen lies, why not do it in such a way as to help Obama, rather than by cutting his credibility off at the knees?

[I.e.: if Stanley Ann was not taking classes at UoW in ‘61, why break the law in order to say she was? All that accomplished was to invalidate Dreams. Why would UoW collude with UoH to illegally and fundamentally discredit Obama’s memoir?]

[Fantasywriter]

‘You mention Corsi.’

No, I didn’t. I mentioned Cashill.

Can you answer a simple question? Why would two Leftist/Progressive universities collude to commit academic fraud, if the upshot is to delegitimize the Left’s favorite president, Obama? If they had resolved to risk their reputations with brazen lies, why not do it in such a way as to help Obama, rather than by cutting his credibility off at the knees?

[I.e.: if Stanley Ann was not taking classes at UoW in ‘61, why break the law in order to say she was? All that accomplished was to invalidate Dreams. Why would UoW collude with UoH to illegally and fundamentally discredit Obama’s memoir?]

[Fantasywriter]

That was an excellent summary. It was a difficult debate to follow, but you did an outstanding job of encapsulating it.

The missing link here is the motivation. Why would UoW claim Stanley Ann Dunham was enrolled in their classes if she wasn’t? It’s illegal to give a person academic credit for classes they never took. Yet UoW gave Stanley Ann credit for four classes, and UoH accepted all four toward Stanley Ann’s degree. No one can rationally and convincingly explain why two universities would break the law on SA’S behalf—particularly since doing so made a laughingstock out of Obama’s memoir, Dreams From My Father.

[little jeremiah]

Oh, that is interesting. Very interesting. So, I assume that means that no human eyes ever saw the actual issue of the paper that announcement was in, just copies that were doctored.

[little jeremiah]

The standing in diaper photo next to the beach shack is quite elongated, IIRC the photo I saw some years ago was not. Actually, he isn’t wearing diapers, looks more like thick underpants, but it’s a bit hard to tell. He looks no more than 2, would look more baby-ish were it not for the stretched look of the photo. It does look like a Hawaii beach shack but probably other beach shacks of that era would look similar. If SAD was in HI with him at the beach shack photo era, it could be 1963 since he looks around two-ish.

[Fred Nerks]

Correct, it was Cashill. Not Corsi. It was Jerome Corsi to whom the University of Washington records were sent. Did he ever ask who was Madolyne Lawson from who he received the unprovenanced data, did he ask for any enrolment identification, which might have contained photo ID of the student?

That information is about as real as the fake birth certificate. It exists only on the web and is entirely without provenance.

Just as is the letter from the University of Manoa which maintains Stanley Ann Dunham was enrolled Fall of 1960.

The student at the Pratt/Dunham address in the directory was Ann Obama. No one saw her enrolment ID either.

[Fantasywriter]

The confirmation, by UoW, that Stanley Ann took four classes there, beginning in the fall of ‘61, destroyed the credibility of Obama’s famous memoir. Had this info been false, the Leftist/Prog administrators at UoW would have corrected the record. Instead, they allowed UoH to include those credits on SA’s transcript, and they counted toward her graduation.

Btw, have you contacted Corsi—and Cashill, and the scores of other researchers who have confirmed Stanley Ann was at UoW in the fall of ‘61—and told them that they ALL fell prey to a giant hoax? If not, why? If your facts are solid, take them public. If you’ve made no effort to correct the public record, then stop impugning the intelligence of people like Jack Cashill; he doesn’t deserve to be portrayed as a hapless dupe.

[Fred Nerks]

...I do not have a particular agenda about aka obama’s true identity in which I am invested. All I know with certainty is that he is a criminal identity fraud and it is very unlikely that anything about his nativity story is true.

I doubt he's guilty of anything that was done by his parents and elders while he was still in diapers. He wouldn't have known who his parents were until he was out of high school. The most likely scenario is that Frank Marshall Davis, to whom I attribute the shenanigans with the fake birth lodgement and subsequent announcements, told him who he really was just before he left Hawaii for the mainland, and once Bill Ayres met up with him and heard the story at the Bank Street School, where Bill was a teacher and his father was on the Board, and Genevieve Cook was a student, the grooming started. In 1982, the postman Hulton (sp?) met zero in the street outside the Ayres residence, where the young man the postman identified as zero, told him he had come to visit the Ayres family to thank them for his education... Bill Ayres I remember as the man who said one day we will have the presidency of the United States of America...

Seems writing 'Dreams' was part of that plan, it gave the young man a background and a family.

[Fred Nerks]

... he doesn’t deserve to be portrayed as a hapless dupe.

And why not? He would be joined by a most lengthy, illustrious list of other dupes.

[Fantasywriter]

Have you made any effort to contact Cashill, Corsi, and the countless other authors whose work has appeared on WND, American Thinker, etc., to explain that they are all mistaken? If you are convinced that you alone are right, then why confine your info to posts on threads that few will see? Why not write your own expose, and submit it to, for example, American Thinker?

[Fred Nerks]

Who said I was convinced that I alone was right? All I have ever tried to do was show there was another way of looking at what was placed before you. I show the alternatives.
If not one freeper who is a US citizen cares to follow through and ask themselves the obvious, and contact authors such as you suggest, then why expect that of me, an Australian?

Who was Anna Obama and why should we believe she was Stanley Ann Dunham just because some woman who used to run the Seattle Mystery Museum found an address and persuaded Mary that she babysat for Stanley Ann Dunham, when Mary clearly stated the girl’s name was Anna and she babysat for her in January 1961?

The answer to that question surely lies in the archives of the University of Washington. If Anna Obama, or as the documents show, some person named OBAMA STANLEY ANN DUNHAM was indeed a student there, her application and identification will also be there.

You’re asking me why I haven’t done something? I’m asking you, why hasn’t anyone in the US thought to follow up on what is a glaring anomaly in the story.

[Fred Nerks]

Hulton describes the man as being in his early 20s, noting that he was tall, thin, had a light complexion and that his ears stuck out.

“He greeted me,” Hulton says. “He was very polite, dressed nicely, but informally – slacks and a dress shirt – and he spoke with no accent. Immediately this young black man entered into conversation with me. He told me he had taken the train out from Chicago and had come to thank the Ayers family personally for having helped him with his education.”

Hulton remembers asking the young man what his plans were for the future.

“He looked right at me and told me he was going to be president of the United States,” Hulton says.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/postman-ayers-family-put-foreigner-obama-through-school/#UuBtlTz6FM4iKkBB.99

[Fantasywriter]

There is no anomaly. The classes at both UoW and UoH that you question were incorporated into Stanley Ann’s final transcript. You failed to explain why, if the info Corsi received was false, the progressive admins at UoW didn’t correct the record. Failing to do so allowed Obama’s memoir to be shredded and trashed. If the ‘61 classes could have been denied, they would have been. That record was allowed to stand because it’s the truth.

[Fred Nerks]

The anomaly happens to be that Mary baby-sat for a woman named Anna Obama when, in Mary’s own words, her daughter, who was born in July 1959, was 18 months of age.

[Fred Nerks]

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