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Trump Tweets: Stop building my new Air Force One; Costs are Out of Control
Hotair ^ | 12/06/2016 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 12/06/2016 7:22:37 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Is this the Art of the Deal coming into play, or a stand against gouging by defense contractors? Despite insisting on the latest in luxury as a private citizen, Donald Trump seems to be saying no to a new fleet of presidential aircraft. He tweeted earlier today that the contract for replacing Air Force One should be canceled due to spiraling costs:

Boeing is building a brand new 747 Air Force One for future presidents, but costs are out of control, more than $4 billion. Cancel order!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 6, 2016

Over the past few months, the Pentagon approved contracts that allowed Boeing to prepare to convert two of its 747-8s into replacements for the current pair of aging 747s that serve as Air Force One. The three contracts come to $169 million, a down payment on an expenditure that the Pentagon estimates will have a total cost of $1.65 billion. The Air Force announced that plan almost two years ago, and the Air Force promised to “use proven technologies and commercially certified equipment” to keep costs under control. That’s for two planes, not one, as the president always travels with both as a precautionary measure.

A search of news does not produce any links about costs doubling on the project. It’s certainly possible that it might be happening; the request for bid went out to Boeing in September, so perhaps the proposal came back with a surprisingly high bottom line. If so, it’s being kept so quiet that even industry outlets have missed it. Boeing already has a limited market for the 747-8 as it is, thanks to competition from Airbus and a preference for two-engine aircraft for most routes. In January, Boeing announced a cutback in production of the 747-8 due to lower demand. Does it make much sense that Boeing would make their product look even less commercially useful by blowing up a high-profile contract? For some perspective on that question, check out the hit that Boeing took after Trump’s tweet, losing 1% in premarket trade.

Besides, canceling the order doesn’t make much sense in practical or political terms. The current pair of 747s fulfilling this mission are almost 30 years old and are nearing the end of their planned lifespan as AF1s. Replacements have to be found soon, and Boeing already has the process underway. The only other four-engine airframe option would be the Airbus 380, which would mean dumping a product made in the USA to, um … outsource it overseas. That’s not exactly Making America Great Again, is it?

Either this is a stream-of-consciousness tweet that means nothing, or Trump wants to lean on Boeing publicly to wring a better deal out of them. As a defense contractor, they depend on government contracts for survival, and they had to have noticed what happened last week with United Technologies and its Carrier subsidiary. Nice contracts ya got there, pal …


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: aerospace; airforceone; aviation; boeing; genious; manufacturing; trump; trumptransition
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To: SeekAndFind

As far as I knew, the contract was for THREE new B747-8s to replace the current two 747-200s.

The President always flies with both 747-200s in case one has maintenance issues during the trip. Because of this, if one plane is down, effectively both are down until the one is fixed.

The Air Force wanted three 747s to increase the mission availability of two at any one time.


41 posted on 12/06/2016 8:58:57 AM PST by Yo-Yo ( Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: SpinnerWebb

Mr. GG2 who used to work for Boeing building 747’s and work on Air Force One said the outside price for a totally tricked out new Air Force One should run no higher than $800 million.


42 posted on 12/06/2016 8:59:24 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Yo-Yo

I’d imagine having more than one taking off and in the air has a sort of shell game advantage in confusing potential hostiles, too.


43 posted on 12/06/2016 9:01:10 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Does that include all of the military accoutrement?


44 posted on 12/06/2016 9:03:08 AM PST by SpinnerWebb (Winter is coming)
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To: SpinnerWebb

Yes including everything.

The terrain following nose gear is scavenged off of decommissioned B52’s. And that’s an expensive unit that does not have to be bought or built new.

The antennas and communications is all standard in use military equipment. Its the same stuff they use in an AWAC.

The FFI (friend or foe identifier) is also front line military equipment just like the chaff and flares.

$4 billion for this plane is a lot of graft.


45 posted on 12/06/2016 9:13:28 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Well, for two planes... Boeing to prepare to convert two of its 747-8s into replacements
46 posted on 12/06/2016 9:17:02 AM PST by SpinnerWebb (Winter is coming)
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To: arl295

I think you can buy 2 VIRGINIA Class submarines for that much money.


47 posted on 12/06/2016 9:20:19 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: SeekAndFind
Guessing that Obama and someone else wants those 2 OLD Air Force Ones at their Liebrary!

Does Clinton have one at his Trailer Liebrary??

48 posted on 12/06/2016 9:29:05 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: SpinnerWebb

Yeh so 2x800 million is $1.6 billion. Still over $2 billion in waste and or graft. Trump is well aware of the prices of planes I’m sure. This is likely his opening salvo to get the price down. :-)


49 posted on 12/06/2016 9:32:17 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: SeekAndFind

...........I personally believe that the Air Force should take an existing cargo plane like the C-5, and make a module that slides in and out that in effect is a presidential suite and use that to haul the President around. When the Suite is not in use, it is pulled out and stored.

The US is BROKE. It cannot afford business as usual and/or 4 billion to haul one man around. It’s lunacy. Another big Hooray for Trump!


50 posted on 12/06/2016 9:36:22 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: SeekAndFind

Words the good boy club never knew existed.

Canceled due to spiraling costs:


51 posted on 12/06/2016 10:05:13 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacted the most.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is a lot going on here. Not the least of which, Boeing threw in for Hildabeast pretty hard (and the Clinton’s in general)


52 posted on 12/06/2016 10:06:59 AM PST by Freemeorkillme
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To: lurk

I would ENSURE the press travels commercial. FOr all the FakeNews and snotty attitude Mr Trump and his family had to endure, they should be happy to get the time of day from him. He Owes Them Nothing except continued contempt and disinterest. You know they’re paying nothing to ride-along on AF1. If the VerminShillMedia want to cover the president, let them find their own transportation. I’d order the press secretary to provide a WEEKLY schedule with no revision updates and let them fend for themselves. I’m all for a smaller domestic use AF1.


53 posted on 12/06/2016 10:57:57 AM PST by OriginalChristian (The end of America, as founded, began when the first Career Politician was elected...)
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To: All; Maine Mariner; flaglady47
Mr. Trump is exercising the Art of the Deal in public with Boeing....all the while holding the ultimate trump card in his hand.

Leni

54 posted on 12/06/2016 11:04:11 AM PST by MinuteGal (GO TRUMP !!!.......GO PENCE !!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Airbus made in Mobile, AL.


55 posted on 12/06/2016 11:07:34 AM PST by petitfour (Americans need to repent.)
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To: RetSignman

Have the media travel by kalitta Cargo. It is good enough to take supplies to our military all over the world & has been good enough to bring back military bodies in caskets.


56 posted on 12/06/2016 1:38:43 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: castlegreyskull

You would think there would be more work, materials and engineering in a submarine

Plus the nuclear power plant in it as well


57 posted on 12/06/2016 2:20:52 PM PST by arl295
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To: R_Kangel

Sounds like another win


58 posted on 12/06/2016 2:20:52 PM PST by arl295
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To: ridesthemiles

[Have the media travel by kalitta Cargo.]

Sounds like a great idea but I was kinda’ curious about that ‘renovation’ 0 is planning for the Oval Office.

It’s been said that Trump won’t be able to use the Oval for a year or more until 0 is done F’n it up.


59 posted on 12/06/2016 2:32:17 PM PST by RetSignman
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To: ridesthemiles

[Have the media travel by kalitta Cargo.]

Sounds like a great idea but I was kinda’ curious about that ‘renovation’ 0 is planning for the Oval Office.

It’s been said that Trump won’t be able to use the Oval for a year or more until 0 is done F’n it up.


60 posted on 12/06/2016 2:32:56 PM PST by RetSignman
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