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To: wardaddy

You contend that Ivanka was forced to convert. I disagree with that.

While I’m not privy to their lives (I’ve never met Ivanka or her husband, let alone gotten close enough to either for them to have the confidence to confide a private matter to me), I’m quite sure that Ivanka was not forced to do anything. She was converted according to the tenants of Modern Orthodox Judaism - which specify that any conversion must be voluntary, and also NOT done in contemplation of marriage (because that would mean that the conversion was not sincere, because there was at least one other motivation involved). Also, because of that, Kushner’s kids would not be Jewish if Ivanka’s conversion wasn’t genuine. Note that Kushner’s extended family are extremely Orthodox. Note also that Ivanka has publicly stated that she believes Judaism to be a “beautiful religion.”

I also question whether Ivanka Trump can be forced to do anything, particularly if she believed differently from what was being “forced” upon her. She is an extremely bright young lady, and a very capable and determined one with an extremely wealthy father to back her up if (for some reason) she couldn’t handle herself (and, frankly, I doubt that she needed or wanted her father’s help in this matter). IOW, Kushner didn’t force her to do anything. FYI, she keeps the Sabbath and keeps kosher - all on her own.


204 posted on 12/05/2016 12:57:30 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Ancesthntr

Please

It was a condition to marry into his family...the verb forced was rhetorical

I’ve seen this all my life

If its that important to his family then skip the shiksa blondie and marry a nice Jewish girl and there are some cause I’ve been there..

I’ would never make a Jewish girl convert to my church as a precondition and I came relatively close twice to exactly that with two different Jewish girls

That’s not how Christianity works...you don’t just assume a heritage and exclusive identity...it’s something way beyond that and nor is it exclusive...it’s universal all of to us who want it anyhow if God had his way

If it had happened the fair thing woulda been daughters get the bat mitzvah and boys go with me and when they reach adulthood they will do what they want anyhow

Ain’t saying it’s perfect but it’s fair especially considering matrilineal Jewish way of thinking on who’s Jewish or not

This is where our different religions truly diverge

Accepting Christ has zip to do with marriage or identity

Don’t get me wrong...I applaud Jews wanting to keep their extensive heritage intact since Abe trekked from Ur but then marry your own kind

I’m not backing down for my disdain of Christian girls who throw away their salvation/faith simply to satisfy groom family demands

Whether Jewish or Hindu or Baha’i or God forbid Muslim

Lastly

Not knowing personally that which we are commenting on here has never stopped anyone..lol...and you know that

There would be nobody here otherwise.


208 posted on 12/05/2016 11:11:33 PM PST by wardaddy (trump is a great tourniquet but that's all folks.......)
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