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The Marginalization of Trump and Conservatism: A Continuing Alinsky Tactic
chickensoup | 11.30.16 | chickensoup

Posted on 11/30/2016 3:11:17 PM PST by Chickensoup

Noticing that the vitriol against conservatives and their leadership has biome entrenched and permissible.

Lot of moral preening and leftist activities to continue to make conservatives fearful or embarrassed to support the causes they believe in, not because there is a problem with the ideas and causes, but because conservatives are fearful of physical harm or property damage.

This needs to stop and conservatives need to seize the narrative, they way that Trump did throughout the pre-election cycle.

For example Barney Frank ( and why is he still above ground with a microphone?) just claimed that Trump thought that Scalia hated Fag-Burners instead of Flag-Burners. When we know that neither conservative hates either of them.

But there was a whine about "speaking ill of the dead" instead of calling this walking piece of sh** out on his discussing and despicable statement. Demands for apologies, and social pariah-dom for him and anyone who defends or associates with him.

All Alinsky tactics that need to be turned on the scum out there who prevent conservatives from having a legitimate voice.

So what are we going to do about it?


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Noticing that the vitriol against conservatives and their leadership has biome entrenched and permissible.

Lot of moral preening and leftist activities to continue to make conservatives fearful or embarrassed to support the causes they believe in, not because there is a problem with the ideas and causes, but because conservatives are fearful of physical harm or property damage.

This needs to stop and conservatives need to seize the narrative, they way that Trump did throughout the pre-election cycle.

For example Barney Frank ( and why is he still above ground with a microphone?) just claimed that Trump thought that Scalia hated Fag-Burners instead of Flag-Burners. When we know that neither conservative hates either of them.

But there was a whine about "speaking ill of the dead" instead of calling this walking piece of sh** out on his discussing and despicable statement. Demands for apologies, and social pariah-dom for him and anyone who defends or associates with him.

All Alinsky tactics that need to be turned on the scum out there who prevent conservatives from having a legitimate voice.

So what are we going to do about it?

Saul Alinsky Rules from Rules for Radicals

Saul Alinsky describes 24 rules in Rules for Radicals. Of those 24 rules, 13 are rules of “power tactics”:

1. “Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.”

2. “Never go outside the experience of your people.”

3. “Wherever possible go outside of the experience of the enemy.”

4. “Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.”

5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

6. “A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.”

7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”

8. “Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.”

9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”

10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.”

11. “If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.”

12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”

Saul Alinsky’s Rules from Rules for Radicals

Saul Alinsky describes 24 rules in Rules for Radicals. Of those 24 rules, 13 are rules of “power tactics”:

1. “Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.”

2. “Never go outside the experience of your people.”

3. “Wherever possible go outside of the experience of the enemy.”

4. “Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.”

5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

6. “A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.”

7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”

8. “Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.”

9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”

10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.”

11. “If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.”

12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”

13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

The remaining 11 rules Alinsky describes are concerned with “the ethics of means and ends”:

1. “One’s concern with the ethics of means and ends varies inversely with one’s personal interest in the issue … Accompanying this rule is the parallel one that one’s concern with the ethics of means and ends varies inversely with one’s distance from the scene of conflict.”

2. “The judgment of the ethics of means is dependent upon the political position of those sitting in judgment.”

3. “In war the end justifies almost any means.”

4. “Judgment must be made in the context of the times in which the action occurred and not from any other chronological vantage point.”

5. “Concern with ethics increases with the number of means available and vice versa.”

6. “The less important the end to be desired, the more one can afford to engage in ethical evaluations of means.”

7. “Generally success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics.”

8. “The morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory.”

9. “Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical.”

10. “You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.”

11. “Goals must be phrased in general terms like ‘Liberty, Equality, Fraternity,’ ‘Of the Common Welfare,’ ‘Pursuit of Happiness,’ or ‘Bread and Peace.’”

1 posted on 11/30/2016 3:11:17 PM PST by Chickensoup
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To: Chickensoup

Looks like Alinsky’s rules did not exactly achieve any goals this election.


2 posted on 11/30/2016 3:18:18 PM PST by odawg
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To: odawg

Yes they did, Trump used them against their leftist a**es.


3 posted on 11/30/2016 3:20:21 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against whites. Beware.)
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To: Chickensoup

I had an entrenched biome in my back yard once. It took a lot of 2-4D, 2-4-5-T and a couple of sticks of dynamite to get rid of it completely.


4 posted on 11/30/2016 3:20:58 PM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: odawg

And the Jill Stein recounts are in direct “violation” of rule #7! :)


5 posted on 11/30/2016 3:21:14 PM PST by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement!)
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To: Chickensoup
The jig is up for Alinsky and Soros and Obama.

Their chickens have come home to roost.

Trump and the American people are going to demonstrate the vacuousness of their religion.

6 posted on 11/30/2016 3:21:18 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: WayneS

become! become! The word was become!


7 posted on 11/30/2016 3:22:03 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against whites. Beware.)
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To: milagro

True they are backfiring as they try to implement rule 4


8 posted on 11/30/2016 3:23:11 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against whites. Beware.)
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To: RoosterRedux

The jig is up for Alinsky and Soros and Obama.
Their chickens have come home to roost.

Trump and the American people are going to demonstrate the vacuousness of their religion.

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I don’t see it, I see them retrenching. Like that clown lawyer who took a paint can to write F*** Trump on a store. There should be packs of us reporting and howling around his house and work.

Why?

to instill some fear and respect.


9 posted on 11/30/2016 3:25:14 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against whites. Beware.)
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To: odawg

There is a ‘sophisticated’ strategy to raise the ‘alt-right’ meme while generating the fake news wave ... the truth of the degeneracy in officials, not just in America but in the entire ‘civilized’ world, exposed by the wikileaks data mine. The evil is much greater than littleman Podesta, and cankles and her degenerate husband.


10 posted on 11/30/2016 3:25:35 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: Chickensoup

Kelloggs should be marginalized with many voices saying that this is a company that walks away from Middle America.


11 posted on 11/30/2016 3:26:16 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against whites. Beware.)
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To: WayneS

I had an entrenched biome in my back yard once. It took a lot of 2-4D, 2-4-5-T and a couple of sticks of dynamite to get rid of it completely.

I hope you felt better afterwards. Bran usually keeps most people regular.


12 posted on 11/30/2016 3:27:17 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against whites. Beware.)
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To: Chickensoup

Yes, I was looking at that list and thinking, hey, Trump is pretty good at this stuff!


13 posted on 11/30/2016 3:28:09 PM PST by GnuThere
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To: MHGinTN

Exactly.


14 posted on 11/30/2016 3:28:17 PM PST by odawg
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To: Chickensoup
I don’t see it

The hard left represents a tiny sliver of the American electorate.

As the Dems move to hard left, they move into the desert.

You will see it in the next few months.

The worm has turned...well, at least, the worm is turning.

Evil will return...but it will be disguised in a new outfit. Probably hard right next.

15 posted on 11/30/2016 3:28:42 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: Chickensoup

I bet Alinsky’s tombstone is quite yellowed by now, what with the legions of people who have peed on it.


16 posted on 11/30/2016 3:28:56 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: MHGinTN

There is a ‘sophisticated’ strategy to raise the ‘alt-right’ meme while generating the fake news wave ... the truth of the degeneracy in officials, not just in America but in the entire ‘civilized’ world, exposed by the wikileaks data mine. The evil is much greater than littleman Podesta, and cankles and her degenerate husband.

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Agreed. And we need to fight back.

We need to embrace Alt-Right Not each one of them, but that there is an alternative press out there with truth.


17 posted on 11/30/2016 3:29:01 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against whites. Beware.)
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To: GnuThere

Yes, I was looking at that list and thinking, hey, Trump is pretty good at this stuff!
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So is Kellyanne and Bannon.

We need to be good at it too.


18 posted on 11/30/2016 3:29:58 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against whites. Beware.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I don’t see it
The hard left represents a tiny sliver of the American electorate.

As the Dems move to hard left, they move into the desert.

You will see it in the next few months.

The worm has turned...well, at least, the worm is turning.

Evil will return...but it will be disguised in a new outfit. Probably hard right next.

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The hard left is represented by the education establishment, the higher education establishment, the media that is not alternative, most of the government workers at a federal level and the agencies that they run.

Pretty powerful sliver


19 posted on 11/30/2016 3:32:56 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against whites. Beware.)
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To: ought-six

I bet Alinsky’s tombstone is quite yellowed by now, what with the legions of people who have peed on it.

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We are pissing in the wind if we don’t use tactics that will fight these leftists. I mean my tagline.


20 posted on 11/30/2016 3:34:25 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against whites. Beware.)
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