So, what happened in 2012 that caused Hillary supporters to shed so much salt?
Posted on 11/29/2016 6:49:51 PM PST by drewh
MADISON, Wis. (WBAY) – A Dane County judge has knocked down Jill Stein’s request to conduct Wisconsin’s recount exclusively by hand to rule out any electronic tampering with the results.
Judge Valerie Bailey-Rihn said Stein’s experts couldn’t present “clear and convincing evidence” that Wisconsin voting equipment was compromised, only that it was possible.
“A hand recount is the gold standard, it’s the best we can do. I don’t think there’s any dispute to that,” the judge said, and she noted there’s no difference in cost to taxpayers since the campaign pays for it. “However, it’s not the court’s decision to decide the best way… I have to do what the law tells me to do.”
The ruling came four hours after the hearing began, and after the judge took a brief recess around 8 p.m.
Stein says there were “statistical anomalies” in results where voters used electronic voting machines. Attorneys for her campaign called several witnesses to support their claim that hackers might have launched a cyber attack or planted malicious software that changed the outcome of the race.
A University of Michigan professor who’s an expert on cyber security testified that it’s possible and that the Wisconsin Elections Commission doesn’t have enough protocols in place to prevent hacking.
The elections commission has said there’s no evidence of hacking or voter fraud, and that a hand recount would take a long time and a lot of people to do it.
“I will allow the 19 counties to do the recount the way they intended. I think everyone strongly encourages them to do the recount by hand, but it is there decision,” Bailey-Rihn said.
Stein’s Green Party wired the state nearly $3.5 million Tuesday afternoon before the 4:30 p.m. deadline to begin the Wisconsin recount.
The Wisconsin Elections Commission (WEC) denied her request for a hand count, saying state law gives clerks the power to decide how to recount the ballots — especially in light of the number of votes that need to be counted before the federal deadline of December 13. Stein’s campaign responded with a civil lawsuit to seek a court order.
Tuesday afternoon the WEC confirmed it made a calculation error when it added up the estimates from county clerks on how much the recount would cost in their county. The elections commission should have quoted $3.9 million — it was off by $400,000.
The WEC says regardless of its mistake, Stein will have to pay whatever the total cost is. For now the campaign was only required to pay the $3.5 million that was quoted.
If the actually cost comes in higher, her campaign will have to pay the difference; if the cost comes in lower, the campaign will be refunded the difference.
Until the counties have actual costs, not estimates, the state will hold all of the money. That’s causing some concern for Fond du Lac County Clerk Lisa Freiberg, who says the county will likely spend $30,000 on the recount.
While state statute says the county will be reimbursed, there’s no timeline for the county to get its money.
“My election canvassers and board of canvass will expect payment, of course, and I’m expecting that money will be spent out before it’s coming back in,” Freiberg said.
“It’s laid out in statutes. I don’t know the exact timeline when it will happen, but they’ll have to actually submit costs to us and we will pay them as soon as we can,” the WEC’s Reid Magney said.
That means the money will come out of the county’s budget, which is paid for by taxpayers, until the reimbursement is received.
Republican Party of Wisconsin Executive Director Mark Morgan issued a statement Tuesday night on the recount:
Republican Party of Wisconsin Executive Director Mark Morgan released the following statement:
This recount is nothing more than one final, desperate attempt by Wisconsin Democrats to change the outcome of the election. There is no justification for a recount and this is precisely the kind of underhanded political tactics that the voters of Wisconsin rejected on November 8th. While Hillary Clinton and her liberal allies are focused on undoing the will of the voters, we remain committed to protecting the integrity of the election process here in Wisconsin.” The Green Party was also raising money for recounts in Michigan and Pennsylvania.
A hearing is scheduled in Pennsylvania on December 5 on Stein’s request for a court order to force a recount.
Trump should announce that this election highlights the need to ensure “election integrity”. He can then carry out a plan to review and modernize the federal election system. The overhaul will address both Democrat and Republican concerns (maybe have Manchin sit on an advisory panel or something) but the centerpiece will be voter ID and reforming voter registration.
So no one had physical access to the systems that could’ve compromised them or GEMS? No one was even the least bit capable or had any motive to do so?
How did anyone vote, how did anyone monitor elections, how did municipalities certify their vote count and send the information in to the state, how did the state get their tally?
I don’t think this recount effort is about over turning this election. I believe what they are trying to do is see just how much their own collusion, deception, illegal votes, created names, fraudulent ballots and all their slight of hand will be detected by an “official system”. Kind of like beta testing fraud to see what gets caught for future elections.
I had been thinking Ambassador to Mongolia, but SYRIA tops that!!!
It is probably the very best meal Mittens has ever had & he is loathe to congratulate Trump on his fine Chef & service.
It is probably the very best meal Mittens has ever had & he is loathe to congratulate Trump on his fine Chef & service.
Stein is a motherless f:)
Great pic of President elect Trump and Mittens. Mittens look like a lost soul.
Great pic of President elect Trump and Mittens. Mittens look like a lost soul.
Once WI goes Trump it is all over.
Imagine that, a judge who does what the law requires of her.
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But - but -but -but -but if we can’t count by hand, how can we insert these really neat fraudulent ballots????
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You do not read what I write specifically.
Steins claim is that russian hackers could do this remotely via the internet. In WI that is impossible because there is nothing in our voting systems that is connected to the internet. It is totally decentralized and not one of over 3000 wards has any internet connections to any voting equipment. There is nothing to send anything to. Nothing to hack into via the internet.
Results are transmitted from wards to the county by phones or fax. Those numbers are forwarded to the state body via phones/fax.
Directly from the OP: "Attorneys for her campaign called several witnesses to support their claim that hackers might have launched a cyber attack or planted malicious software that changed the outcome of the race."
(emphasis mine)
"hackers" and "Or planted malicious software" is exactly what I am talking about. This is not a distinction without a difference.
That said, I've made myself clear that I think Stein is a loony and I think this is a huge waste of time and money, but that's what liberals and statists do best - spend other people's money.
I also think that it is much more likely any fraud would benefit the democrats and be of their doing.
The “russian hacker” cant plant malicious software because they cannot hack into the equipment as there is no internet connection to do so. So this avenue of corruption is gone because it never existed.
There were no russian hackers that were in wisconsin to physically have time alone with the actual voting machines on an individual basis in 3000 different wards, and somehow change the code, then change it back afterwards so it could not be detected.
What I am telling you what she is alleging is not possible.
Am done replying to ya.
I agree with your last sentence. :)
Neither the OP or the full article states anything about Russian hackers specifically.
The GEMS system is one machine, or a few servers that can be accessed either way where this could take place.
Stein may be alleging Russian hackers because that’s the liberal meme right now, but there are plenty of people with motive in the Dem party and probably a lot of them in the repub party as well to hack the vote.
“Churchill:
There are lies,...damned lies
and statistics. “
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I don’t mean to be rude, but wasn’t that Mark Twain who said that?
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