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The Democrats Screwed Up
NYTimes ^ | NOV. 11, 2016 | Frank Bruni

Posted on 11/12/2016 9:08:52 PM PST by aquila48

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To: ransomnote

“If Clinton had succeeded in stealing the election the MSM would be praising itself for shutting us down. But MSM is afraid for their jobs so now they will say ANYTHING to get us back. ANYTHING.”

you nailed it. it’s nothing but a head-fake.


21 posted on 11/12/2016 9:38:36 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Hey Miss Marmelstein, you’re up late. Go get em girl! :)


22 posted on 11/12/2016 9:39:10 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: aquila48
Player singing the new NYT theme song new NYT theme song
23 posted on 11/12/2016 9:39:37 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: aquila48
The Democrats Screwed Up

TRANSLATION: It's not that the People really support Trump, but that the Democratic Party royally screwed-up this election.

REALITY: It's both.

24 posted on 11/12/2016 9:40:23 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: tinyowl

” I’m just messy and imperfect (and hurt.)”

Not me. I’m simply still pissed.

“They are STILL doubling down on blindness and arrogance. “

they’re so clueless they can’t even tell they’re being arrogant while trying not to be.


25 posted on 11/12/2016 9:40:51 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: bigdaddy45

He takes endless shots at the deplorables in the body of the text. I read the whole thing. Bruni spends one sentence on marriage “equality”, nothing on transgender bathrooms and the rest about how Trump is going to screw up in two years and his ilk will regain the Congress.


26 posted on 11/12/2016 9:42:06 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: DiogenesLamp

Waiting for my husband to come home from his show! He’s another irredeemable.

Frank Bruni should go back to giving one star restaurant reviews.


27 posted on 11/12/2016 9:43:35 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: aquila48

Even as he vows to “use greater care in how I talk to and about Americans more culturally conservative than I am,” he oozes moral superiority by merely saying it. He is declaring these people his inferiors, but he will “rise above” his impulses to tolerate those inferiors. It makes one’s stomach churn.


28 posted on 11/12/2016 9:43:55 PM PST by Chaguito
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To: aquila48

To my thinking, this author gives Trump too little credit for his insight. The democrats missed what was happening to the middle class working folk, to be sure.

They also missed the fact that the people have had immigration concerns since 1965 without a discussion of who should be invited to come and live and work here. In more recent times the people have simply walked in and started taking jobs and entitlements without the slightest thought to assimilation. This is a discussion we finally stood up and demanded.

I believe Trump has taken the right approach, criminals first, a solid barrier to entry, verification of the right to work here, and down the road, the right to evaluate those who have met the test of assimilation and hence, the right to become residents. (But at the end of the line, behind the ones who came here first and followed the rules.

Obama could also have eased the job situation a little at the cost of some of his ideological purity. How much would it have hurt to continue to mine coal, frack on public land, and build a pipeline or two? The environmentalists would have objected and perhaps not even understood, but he could have found a way to appease them and put a lot of people back to work.

Obama also could have clamped down on the secret email system (which he was aware of) and the pay for play in the Foundation (which he should have been aware of). This would not have made a dent in the Clinton’s millions, but could have kept her legal enough to win the election.

Now lets not forget the supreme court, we needed to get involved with Trump and he made all the right choices — including providing some names. This will go a long way toward the maintenance of our constitutional Bill of Rights. Who said that freedom of religion, speech, assembly, and the right to bare arms were not about to go away. Oh, and Trump is not going to end the right of the states to permit gay marriage or self funded abortion, it is not going to be something that the left really needs to fret about.

There are plenty of things that the democratic party could have done besides looking down their noses at us Trump supporters and calling us every name in the book. None of which really apply to Trump IMO. They made so many mistakes that they deserve the restructuring issues they will have for the next several years. Now get out of the way and let the GOP keep some campaign promises.


29 posted on 11/12/2016 9:44:16 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (California engineer (ret) and ex-teacher (ret) now part time Professor (what do you know?))
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To: Go No

LOL! Best post on the thread!


30 posted on 11/12/2016 9:47:15 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Go No

“It’s a grown-up acknowledgment that we’re a messy, imperfect species”

I wonder who he thinks pollutes the species with imperfections...

I bet he must have laughed and applauded when Hildabeast referred to us imperfections as deplorables and irredeemables.


31 posted on 11/12/2016 9:47:47 PM PST by aquila48
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To: aquila48
What worries the author isn't the party, it's that the power of the hangers-on such as his own newspaper will suffer. That's the problem when you decide to pull with the losing team instead of standing aside in neutrality. You own the loss.

Certainly the Dems had a chance to see it coming. Bernie Sanders, whose behavior subsequent to the convention has led me to conclude that he was never a serious candidate but a patsy set up for a fall, found himself with not just a viable campaign but a very persuasive one to elements within his party that, like elements within the Republican party, were thoroughly sick of the establishment Kabuki dance and desirous of change. What he got, $600K from the Clinton Foundation and a condescending pat on the ass, caused him to leave the party, where he now is once again an outsider looking at the wreckage within. And characteristic of Her Heinous, there was no real attempt to incorporate the passionate following he identified into her campaign. The message I saw (and I'm hardly a Sanders follower) was "all right, little people, you've had your fun, now take your places on the benches and start rowing," which attitude was precisely why they were backing Sanders in the first place. This is political ham-handedness on a high order.

Another part of the equation was that much of what used to make liberals liberal, i.e. a belief in free speech, freedom of conscience, freedom in general from a smothering and oppressive government, was no longer part of the Democrat recipe. No old-school liberal would support political correctness, hate speech laws, and rigid ideological censorship in press and the academy. The proprietors of the Democrat party now thrive on them, and on the authoritarian structure necessary to enforce them. That may be labeled progressive but it certainly isn't liberal. And a lot of liberals recognize that.

The present political dynamic is that the Republican establishment is stunned, stinging, and consigned to the corner even in a nominal victory, but don't worry, they'll be back. The Democrat establishment is defeated, reeling, but in the absence of credible opposition, resurgent. They'll be back too. Neither party is through this, Trump has bought us a little time, that's all, in which we'd better sort it out.

32 posted on 11/12/2016 9:48:33 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: FlingWingFlyer

People on the hard left refer to people like the Clintons as “neoliberal”. The term is taken from European political culture, where “liberal” still refers to classical liberalism.

Neoliberals are different than classical liberals, however. They are Davos Man- globalist or transnational, shills for their corporate sponsors, elitist, willing to sell out their own country and impoverish their countrymen.

Don’t get me wrong, people on the left hate us and distrust us. But they detest the Clintons for some of the same reasons we do.

And most of them ended up voting for her, anyway.


33 posted on 11/12/2016 9:48:51 PM PST by oblomov (We have passed the point where "law," properly speaking, has any further application. - C. Thomas)
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To: ransomnote

Donald will rip them up one side and down the other for offering the same ole same ole that got them a rout in 2016.


34 posted on 11/12/2016 9:50:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: miss marmelstein

:)


35 posted on 11/12/2016 9:51:06 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: aquila48

The fake confessional in full bloom. The pretend “we get it and we’ll behave now”.

Yet all they can do is cover the “protests” rather than call them what they are - professional anarchists paid to riot by left wing agitators. How about sharing that truth above the fold before you pretend to get it and behave?

How about actually congratulating Kellyann Conway for a brilliant campaign? Nope. I have never seen an artice or news story on that.

They say they hate money taking over politics. How about a nice article bashing Hillary Clinton for trying to buy the election spending hundreds of millions of dollars and praising Trump for not only spending a pittance but for not taking a single penny of donation money for his own presidential campaign so he will not be beholden to even a single donor?

Nope, no stories like that you commie rags and Marxist TV news agitprops.

To hell with you all. Take your phony apologies and stuff it. You haven’t learned a damn thing nor will you change a thing.


36 posted on 11/12/2016 9:53:03 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (The GOP will see the light, because Trump will make them feel the heat.)
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To: Billthedrill

Recovering the older sense of “liberal” is going to be a very important thing. Trump seems to be comfortably within that older sense. The things that our modern left are calling intolerance, is the exclusion of oppressive elements, elements that end up being illiberal, not (in the old sense) liberal.

Dinesh D’Souza nailed it long ago when he wrote his book “Illiberal Education.”

Illiberalism has now come around to bite illiberals on the ass.


37 posted on 11/12/2016 9:53:53 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ransomnote

Agreed. I don’t get why these pundits and talking heads think we want to listen to them now. They still think the American people are stupid. They will never change.


38 posted on 11/12/2016 9:53:53 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

After denial, the next step to acceptance is what... bargaining?

We seem to be here now.

Patience patience my dear friend.


39 posted on 11/12/2016 9:55:51 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Shortstop7

They’re going through the steps that end in acceptance.

Patience, patience, and don’t say never — because God doesn’t say never, and Trump’s rise was an act of God.


40 posted on 11/12/2016 9:57:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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