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China Claims Its New Anti-Stealth Radars Can Detect The F-22
Popular Mechanics ^ | November 11, 2016 | By Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 11/12/2016 4:41:02 AM PST by Fennie

China showed off what it claims is an anti-stealth radar system at this month's Zhuhai Air Show. If true, the radar threatens to undo hundreds of billions in U.S. spending on steath warplanes.

(Excerpt) Read more at popularmechanics.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; military; trump

1 posted on 11/12/2016 4:41:02 AM PST by Fennie
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To: Fennie

well, this was expected.

the Clintons did sell them
all US technology including all unissued
US patent applications.

what was not known was that the money would
go to child trafficking, Podestation,
ISIS, slavery and Satanic dinners.


2 posted on 11/12/2016 4:49:44 AM PST by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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To: Diogenesis

The F-22 isn’t supposed to be a full stealth aircraft, is it?

My understanding is that it’s supposed to greatly diminish detection and isolation range, and impede target lock - while being a full maneuverability fighter.

Is that wrong?


3 posted on 11/12/2016 5:20:15 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Fennie

We have to respect China where they graduate over 500,000 engineers each year.

Also note that many of their leaders are engineers, not lawyers.

The Chinese people are quite nationalistic and are happy that China’s restored economic might has made her into a powerful nation again.

While it is true that their espionage operations have been extensive and quite successful, I would not be surprised if their new radar systems relied mostly on their own developments.

The technical principles on how to defeat stealth technology have been known publicly for over 25 years, at least to aerospace engineers.

If the USA wants to remain as the technology leader, we have to streamline our technology development and weapon system development apparatus. I was an aerospace engineer for decades and I have been appalled at the incredible tangle of bureaucracy and political infighting that slows our fielding of new systems while making them outlandishly expensive.

Norm Augustine in his book, “Augustine’s Laws”, forecast decades ago that the rising cost per aircraft would eventually allow the entire DoD budget to purchase ONE per year.

We’re almost there.


4 posted on 11/12/2016 5:22:10 AM PST by darth
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To: Fennie
This from the article: However, they were fitted with external fuel tanks that allowed them to easily make the trip from Kadena Air Force Base in Okinawa to Osan. Large drop tanks hanging off their wings would have ruined their stealthy profile, making them much more visible to radar, so it's not entirely surprising that a radar would have detected them.

Osan to Kadena is about 750 miles. The external wing tanks increase the range of the F-22 to about 1840 miles (open web data). If they had to "make it easy for them to reach Osan" Just what the hell kind of full-stealth range does this plane have (without mid-air refueling)?

And, yes it is very, very difficult to be stealthy against a lower frequency radar because of the wavelengths involved. These Chinese radars are said to be VHF and UHF, one or both of them being a phased array which has a better ability to tailor the received weighting to decrease sidelobes (in essence offering more accurate position determination).....they would also allow for more sophisticated forms of receive processing.....

5 posted on 11/12/2016 5:23:39 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: darth
"If the USA wants to remain as the technology leader, we have to streamline our technology development and weapon system development apparatus."

Sounds like you cut the paperwork and let every use the 13 steps of Kelly Johnson / Ben Rich and get the heck out of their way until a prototype is flown and or the systems you are integrating are ready to be tested on a given platform.

6 posted on 11/12/2016 5:27:36 AM PST by taildragger (Do you hear the people singing? The Song of Angry Men!....)
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To: lepton

Technology keeps jumping back and forth—it never stays still—EVER!
“Stealth” is just the latest idea—it has about run its course.
Get back to speed, maneuver, weaponry, range, acceleration, etc...


7 posted on 11/12/2016 5:30:27 AM PST by Flintlock (The ballot box STOLEN, our soapbox taken away--the BULLET BOX is left to us.)
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To: Fennie

If they claim it publicly, it’s not true.


8 posted on 11/12/2016 5:33:38 AM PST by Enduro Guy (Trump/Pence 2016)
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To: Diogenesis

Well, whether that’s the source or not, it was only a matter of time. For smaller adversaries using older equipment, stealth still has advantages.

For the major adversaries with big budgets, not so much.


9 posted on 11/12/2016 5:42:18 AM PST by AFreeBird (BEST. ELECTION. EVER!)
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To: Enduro Guy

bingo


10 posted on 11/12/2016 6:24:12 AM PST by Catholic Canadian
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To: Fennie
Actually, everyone knew how to defeat stealth technology: the so-called bi-static radar, where the transmitter is at one location and the receiver is another location.

Insanely hard to make it work in the past due to lack of computational power, modern computer technology has finally made it possible to eliminate that problem. Given the Chinese have built some of the world's most powerful supercomputers, they have the know-how to actually make it work. However, to make it work reliably is another thing, though.

11 posted on 11/12/2016 6:26:37 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Fennie

So formal intercept becomes possible but would actual targeting be possible..?

on that score I have strong doubts.

if is true this report would mean they can Vector Chinese interceptors to *spectate* upon the impending attack action and maybe do nothing about it.

or very little.


12 posted on 11/12/2016 6:56:07 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Flintlock

Have the advanced weaponry packaging close to deployment. Engine re-configuration to deliver multi-megawatt electrical output is the hold-up. Directed energy projection and guided kinetic projectiles will be the next big thing.


13 posted on 11/12/2016 8:06:12 AM PST by Ozark Tom
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