Posted on 10/21/2016 6:41:05 AM PDT by rlmorel
James O'Keefe has produced documentation in his Project Veritas endeavor which has produced two videos that I know of to date (which can be found on Youtube as well, Part 1: Rigging the Election - Video I: Clinton Campaign and DNC Incite Violence at Trump Rallies and Part 2: Rigging the Election - Video II: Mass Voter Frauds.
I have watched these two videos, and the content astonishes me. But let me clarify that they do not astonish me the way they might astonish or startle many Americans, because the tactics are not new, I have seen evidence of this before, and being enough of a student of Liberalism to understand it better, I realize this is who they are and how they function.
I took the time to read Alinsky's work, and to read the books Obama has supposedly written as well to better understand the actions and tactics of liberals, and while absolutely none of it has surprised me, it has certainly disgusted me, particularly Alinsky, who is a demi-god to most upper ranking liberals today, significantly Obama and Clinton.
So, that doesn't surprise me at all that they are inciting violence, engaging in voter fraud, and breaking election laws left and right. As James O'Keefe says in the first video, there is strong evidence of criminality.
What surprises me is the level of smug arrogance the leftists in these videos exhibit, openly bragging about their activities, and the realization they feel obviously empowered to do this because they believe their backs are covered by the Administration, DNC, and other arms of the government populated under direct control of leftists "down with the cause" of liberalism and the tactics used to advance it. Arms such as the FBI, the DOJ, etc.
This is what the last eight years of Obama has brought to us.
The reason I am starting this thread is to discuss why this is not taking hold. It simply isn't because the news media is suppressing it, which they clearly are. It isn't because the candidates and national parties don't want to discuss it openly, which they don't. There is more to it. On the face of it, this should be exploding even with those factors.
the video is irrefutable. It is specific. It has times, places, and people.
It isn't video taken out of context, it is completely in context.
It isn't audio that might be faked. It is video of highly recognizable people, in expected locations, speaking on camera.
The people aren't nobodies, rogue operators, fringe players, autonomously operating on their own. These are two significant players who, between them, have visited the White House nearly 350 officially recorded times, and met PERSONALLY with the President of The United States 40+ times. Forty times. Watch the video, listen to what they say, and think about that. Nearly 350 visits overall in eight years to the seat of American political power, and met personally with ostensibly the most powerful political figure on earth. Again, watch the video, listen to what they say, and think about that.
When I saw this video, it impressed me as having the potential to be the most significant political developments in modern American political history. It should be generating a 9.6 earthquake on the political Richter Scale. Why isn't even barely registering, even taking into account the media and national party attempts to suppress it?
I recognize there are many factors at play, and it has only been a few days since this video was released. The Watergate scandal took several weeks to begin percolating.
I have also been told that these to key players, Robert Creamer and Scott Foval, are bit players, unknowns. My response to this is two-fold: First, these two men are not unknowns. They have been to the White House hundreds if times, Robert Creamer has even been photographed shopping with Michelle Obama. Secondly, in the past, people like Virgilio González, Bernard Barker, James McCord, Eugenio Martínez, and Frank Sturgis were real nobodies, and that didn't stop a political tsunami.
So, lets talk. What is this, why is this, in a time when it should explode with shock waves to the top of the White House and DNC, is this quietly sitting there?
I am speaking about inciting violence, baiting people, and engaging in voter fraud.
Your views imply that there is no difference between liberals and conservatives which I disagree with.
My experiences, those I have spent on the line in Washington DC in person opposing liberals, Code Pink, MoveOn, etc, is that they are both immoral and amoral, whereas conservatives I encounter in all cases are different.
You must have personal experience that drives your opinion, but I go on the hundreds of people I have met from disparate walks of life, and stood across from liberals from their different walks of life, and there is a significant and fundamental difference in behavior and comportment.
I respect your opinion, but I simply don’t feel the same way.
They probably weren’t doctored but the perception is they were. That’s what networks hang on too.
You think we don’t do that? Really?
People are people. Conservative or liberal they’re still human beings. Which means they’re fallible, corruptible, and able to rationalize wrong actions because they think the reasons are right.
I have open eyes that let me see reality. No group has a monopoly on morality, or immorality. It’s not about how you feel, it’s about looking at the world around you.
Well, I did not say they weren’t human beings. The fundamental difference between them and us is that we believe we are fallible, and they believe they can achieve utopia, perfection. And they also believe any means justifies the ends.
Anyway, no use to make an issue about this, in my mind. You and I will disagree on this, and we’ve got bigger fish to fry.
Good luck.
Yeah, I know. Damnit. Having the MSM investigate and publicize this is like...oh yeah...the FBI investigating Hillary Clinton’s email violations!
I agree completely. The first website I went to while looking to see who was carrying the story and who wasn’t (I think it might have been CNN) had the very first words of the article “Discredited conservative investigative journalist...”
They frontloaded that with as much negativity as they could:
Discredited
Conservative
Investigative Journalist (I think most people dislike “investigative journalists” at a visceral level, but that is just my opinion)
Denying the personhood of your opponents is innately immoral behavior. See, we are just like them.
Where did I deny the personhood of my opponents? I said they and the foundations of their ideology are immoral.
If you want to discuss it, lets discuss it. If you are going to put words in my mouth, I have better things to do than waste my time.
Sorry I misread that sentence. But in the end we are still just like them. They are fallible, we are fallible, they do immoral things to back their cause, we do immoral things to back our cause. That’s what people do.
I don’t agree with drawing a moral equivalency overall, that’s all.
I know every liberal isn’t a devil, and every conservative isn’t an angel. I don’t think we disagree there, I suspect we disagree where to draw the dividing line for those two populations.
I just don’t think they are equal.
Thanks for the courteous response.
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