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"I Listened To A Trump Supporter... Now I Understand"
zero hedge Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Bltizkrieg blog, ^ | Oct 6, 2016 7:54 PM | David A Hill Jr

Posted on 10/07/2016 3:17:10 AM PDT by vannrox

"I Listened To A Trump Supporter... Now I Understand"

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Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Bltizkrieg blog,

The following article by David A Hill Jr is simply outstanding.

Here are some powerful excerpts from the piece: I Listened to a Trump Supporter

I talked at length with a Trump supporter I grew up around. I wanted to understand. I respected her growing up. I wanted to know why a person as kind and compassionate as I remember her is voting for someone like Donald Trump.

 

She was a family friend, a good person. In rural Ohio, everything was tight. Money, jobs. If you really needed quick cash, she’d put you to work doing landscaping. She’d pay fairly and reliably for the area.

 

She’s voting for Donald Trump. I disagree with her choice, but I understand why she rejects Clinton so fiercely, and why she’s been swept up in Donald Trump’s particular brand of right-wing populism. I feel that on the left, it’s increasingly easy to ignore these people, to disregard them, to write them off as racists, bigots, or uneducated. I think that’s a loss for everyone involved, and that sometimes listening can help you to at least understand why a person is making the choices they make, so you can work on the root causes. For her, the root cause isn’t racism. In fact, I remember her as one of the only people in the area who proudly hired black workers, in a place where that was a huge issue. She fought over that choice.

 

But that’s enough background. Let me relay a bit of what she told me.

 

She’s a person who built her business from the ground up. She wasn’t rich, but was very comfortable for the area. She had a nice house, a nice car, and was stable. She achieved the American dream of not having to struggle. Things changed during the housing crisis. A landscaping business requires customers who need landscaping, and people who don’t own homes just don’t need landscaping. In some of these neighborhoods, one in five people lost their homes. That almost immediately turns a successful landscaping business into a struggling one.

 

Then there was a domino effect. She couldn’t pay for her lawn-care equipment leases and loans. That hurt her work efficiency. Then, she lost her car. But that didn’t stop the payments. Then, she lost her house. She slowly had to let go all of her employees, until it was just her, hand-mowing lawns for cash the way you might expect a high school student in the summertime.

 

She told me that every week, it seemed there was another default letter, another foreclosure, another bank demanding more blood from her dry veins. To her, that pile of default notices and demands for payment looked suspiciously similar to Hillary Clinton’s top donor list.

 

She lost everything she worked so hard for. Obama swore he was going to help. The Wall Street bailout did seem to help Wall Street. But it did absolutely nothing for her. She turns on the news and sees how the Dow Jones is doing better than ever. But that didn’t bring her house and livelihood back. Liberals insist that Obama’s made her life better. But, now she’s driving a car that falls apart randomly while having to pay those same banks for a car she doesn’t own and never will. It’s difficult to convince someone whose life is objectively worse that their life is better. And it’s disingenuous to try. You can break down the specifics, sure. But when someone’s hungry, and you’re busy silencing their complaints by telling them how well world hunger is improving, you’re just going to upset them.

 

This is not a person who is stupid or racist. She knows Bush caused the economy collapse with his irresponsible tax policies and wars. But she saw liberals as fighting for the banks’ recovery, to hell with her needs. She sees in Hillary someone who celebrates that approach. Who measures US success by the success of multinational mega corporations?—?corporations who undercut and destroy local businesses. This is a person who grew up in a town with a friendly neighborhood general store, a locally-owned hardware store, farmers’ markets, florists, and auto shops. All of these businesses closed when Walmart moved into town. All their owners now work at that Walmart for a fraction of their previous wages, no benefits, and no hope for something better, something of their own. And now, she sees a free trade supporting former Walmart executive about to come in to office, and it feels like salt in her community’s wounds.

 

This is a wounded person. Insulting her or continuing to hurt her isn’t going to help. She’s swept up in Trump’s message because she feels someone’s finally listening. Right-wing populism is an awful thing. But desperate people with their backs against the wall will grasp on to whatever they feel will bring a change. Neoliberal capitalism is not sustainable for these people.

 

Over the past few years, she tried getting back in her business. But a corporation moved in and is operating far cheaper, using undocumented immigrant labor. I should note: She specifically said she doesn’t hold it against the migrant workers. As she said, “They’ve got to take whatever jobs they can get. Just like we do. It’s not their fault. They didn’t choose to make prices so low that legal businesses couldn’t compete.” She was literally a “job creator”. And she wasbeing priced out by the very people Donald Trump insists are pricing her out. That hurts everyone, and it adds an air of authenticity to what he says.

 

I asked her if she supports Trump’s Mexico wall. She told me, “It doesn’t matter if I do. Hillary wants a wall, too. That wall’s gonna happen.” She wasn’t simply making this up. She’s heard this from many sources, Clinton being one of them. So to her, the idea of a border wall is a non-issue. I pressed her on the issue, and she said she thinks, “It’s a waste of money. If someone wants to cross the border, they’re gonna cross the border.”…

 

A few times, she seemed ashamed of things Trump’s said or done. I’d ask her to unpack her feelings. She said he sometimes upsets her, but “If you wait and wait for a flawless candidate, you’ll never find one.” She said she’d be much prouder to vote for Trump if he’d tone down his rhetoric.

This fits into my strongly held belief that people are looking for an excuse to vote for Trump. All he has to do to win is tone down some of his more heinous and idiotic tendencies.

I talked to her a bit about Bernie Sanders, to see what she thought of him. She told me, “He seemed like a nice enough guy. But I didn’t pay him much mind because there was no way he was gonna beat Clinton.” I talked with her about his platform, his policy proposals. She lit up. She told me, “It’s a real shame he didn’t make it.” She told me that if she knew him, his record, and his proposals, she’d have voted for him. I said that since the primary concluded, Hillary’s shifted some to adopt policies similar to his, and I asked if that changed her mind. She told me, “It doesn’t matter what she says. It matters what she’s done.”

 

No amount of insulting her from an ivory tower is going to change her mind. No amount of guffawing about her lack of education, her self-deception, her racism, or her internalized misogyny is going to change her mind. The only thing she’ll listen to is a promise of real change to the system that’s hurt her. If the Democratic Party can’t offer her a viable alternative, we’re going to see another neck-and-neck election in 2020, and in 2024, and in 2028.

 

These people need a populist answer. They need someone willing to listen to their very real concerns, and offer solutions that don’t look like Band-Aids on bullet wounds. If they had that on the left, we wouldn’t even be discussing Ohio as a “swing state”.

 

Right now, this is the discourse we’re seeing about Trump supporters. This only emboldens those attitudes. To people like her, this feels like the left is laughing at her for her unwillingness to get in line and support the things that have left her broke and broken.

The above excerpts are not the entire piece. You should read the whole thing: I Listened to a Trump Supporter.

The more deeply I think about this election, the more I agree that the above sentiments motivate Trump voters far more than feelings of racism or hate. As I noted in a piece published a few weeks ago, The Status Quo vs. Donald Trump:

This isn’t about me. This is about the American voter, and the more time passes, the more I understand the motivations of the vast majority of Trump supporters. It isn’t xenophobia or racism, it’s a vote against the status quo and the way they’ve strip mined and destroyed this country. It’s a FU vote and a major gamble, but it’s not as irrational or hateful as you might think.

This doesn’t mean that Trump won’t betray his supporters and prove to be the Republican version of Barack Obama, but it does mean that the dominant media narrative characterizing Trump supporters as a bunch of racist, uneducated brutes is pretty much just dishonest, elitist propaganda.



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To: taildragger; All
BTW...

I am waiting for someone in the dominant media to steal it, I coined what is going on as "The Rust Belt Rebellion"....

Think about it...

21 posted on 10/07/2016 4:17:07 AM PDT by taildragger (Not my Monkey, not my Circus...)
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To: vannrox

No, she IS a stupid person if she believes Bush caused the economic collapse with his wars and tax policies.


22 posted on 10/07/2016 4:17:27 AM PDT by Mjreagan
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To: vannrox

We really need to push the racist crap on the left and hang it around their neck.


23 posted on 10/07/2016 4:20:31 AM PDT by BRL
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To: Tennessee Conservative

Pretty much everyone I work with is a college grad, and most are voting for Trump. Many of these folks were ardently anti-Bush. There are a couple hard-core libs who will vote Hillary, and some libs who are not voting. I make no predictions based on the anecdotal sample, but Trump has a lot of people quietly speaking around the water coolers.


24 posted on 10/07/2016 4:21:34 AM PDT by antidisestablishment ( We few, we happy few, we basket of deplorables)
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To: vannrox

Their delusion is complete.


25 posted on 10/07/2016 4:23:42 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is..." - Milton)
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To: jiggyboy

The “economy collapse” was a very long time coming and it was initiated by BS Liberal banking policies.

In the ‘80’s I worked in the lending office of a large bank. I was a file clerk and data entry person. My credit was pure gold, but I made NO money. However, I processed loan applications and information for loan recipients who made LESS than I did (if possible) and who had either NO credit or abysmal credit.


26 posted on 10/07/2016 4:26:14 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What is freedom? To have the will to be responsible for one's self. "M. Stirner)
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To: MomwithHope

Hillary has a commercial of her saying over 30 years she fought for the “children” but she never says WHAT she did for children. Ask her that Trump. Ask her what she did for the chdren besides claim to fight for them.


27 posted on 10/07/2016 4:26:39 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is..." - Milton)
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To: MomwithHope

“It doesn’t matter what she says. It matters what she’s done.”..........

Which is absolutely why American’s need to put that foremost in the decision of who they will be voting for.

The Clinton’s have been major contributors, often leaders, in the destruction of what America once was so people need to know and to believe they will continue the trend. This election is NOT ABOUT the American people, it is about the Clinton’s and in particular Hitlary.


28 posted on 10/07/2016 4:27:48 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Good post, but contains liberal b.s. Bush did not cause economic collapse, merely did not mitigate it well; democrats supported foreign wars.

The author almost got it by referring to the housing crisis, which is democrat-owned. Also, I half expected the author to desert Hillary.

29 posted on 10/07/2016 4:28:25 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ("Political Correctness is communist propaganda writ small" - Theodore Dalrymple)
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To: wastoute

Bush did.. but they left out the originator, bill clinton and janet reno... they forced banks to loan to those who could not pay. I remember reading the news that they were buying homes with no down payment.. It was hard to believe... I had to have a down payment.. those who couldn’t afford a house, didn’t have to.

I sold my house 14 years ago to a family from Guatemala who repeatedly said this was the American Dream. At closing they signed papers for an hour.. they had relatives there who could speak English.. The man was a mechanic... his payments were way over his income. The man didn’t seem to know what he was getting in to.

bill didn’t care what happened to his mandates.. and Bush didn’t bother to change it or stop it. Janet reno did a lot of dangerous and unlawful things... she left a bad taste in our country..


30 posted on 10/07/2016 4:29:13 AM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: frnewsjunkie

And the banks just leveraged those bad mortgages into AAA bonds they fraudulently passed on to investors. And no one ever went to jail. Everyone made out like a bandit. Except the taxpayer. Got screwed. Again.


31 posted on 10/07/2016 4:32:10 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

This is a nice read. However. The author puts his own opinion in there. He fails to mention Dodd Frank. He seems to still be the adult talking to a little girl. Equating Sanders populism to Trumps is a mistake. At least she says she looks at what Hildog has done and not what she says.


32 posted on 10/07/2016 4:37:09 AM PDT by NotchJohnson
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To: vannrox

Notice how this incredibly false narrative has seeped into Dem propaganda about Bush causing the economic collapse with his tax policies?

Taxes weren’t a factor in the collapse at all. Going along with and increasing Bill Clinton’s pushing of Fannie and Freddie to buy and process gazillions of bad loans? Yes, that was a factor. But tax policy? Not a whit.


33 posted on 10/07/2016 4:42:24 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: vannrox
Tangent to this, the Q & A w/ Ann Coulter in Vanity Fair. Maybe her gut was telling her ( like it did mine see link below ) that our "vaulted 16" wasn't so vaulted after all. Perhaps this Landscaper in OH on hard times wouldn't have wanted one of the 16 either...

"Did you support any other candidates in the field?

I hated them all.

All of them?

I hated them all. And in fact, I think Trump saved my life, because looking at that field of candidates, I mean, I was hoping that Mitt Romney was going to get in. He was the best on immigration and, you know, a respectable person. He was good on China and their currency manipulation, and he was the best that we have ever had until Trump. But without him in the race, I just thought, “I can’t do this. I can’t defend any of these guys. I am not going to go on TV and pretend that any of them are going to be better than any Democrat.” And you know, I have always wanted to learn French, so I figured that I would just go to France for 2016 and skip the election year, hang out, learn French. And I happen to love Eagles of Death Metal, so I totally would have been at that concert, except Trump ran so I couldn’t leave."

From 12/1/2014: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3232647/posts?page=14#14

34 posted on 10/07/2016 4:48:55 AM PDT by taildragger (Not my Monkey, not my Circus...)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Yes it contains leftist B.S.
And yet the author still makes the case for Trump. A very strong case, one that even “low information voters” will deduce on their own.


35 posted on 10/07/2016 4:50:31 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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To: antidisestablishment

Same thing here. I was at the Vet’s with my dog last week and the three young ladies behind the desk were discussing the election. All three said they are voting Trump because the despise Clinton. They said that sometimes they don’t approve of how he says things but they feel like he’s saying what he means rather than what he thinks they want to hear. They don’t trust Clinton at all! All three of the ladies are college educated and young (20-35).


36 posted on 10/07/2016 4:54:12 AM PDT by Tennessee Conservative
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

‘Right-wing populism is an awful thing.’

“Well, I suppose it is, if you’re a baby-killing, child-molester faggot democRAT....raping the taxpayers and riding the statist gravy train.”

___________________________________

I’ve noticed “right-wing populism” has become the new “nazi” or “facist” label.

Liberals who use it think it sounds terrible and scary, but if you ask them to define it, they can’t. And if they could, they’d realize it much more accurately describes themselves.


37 posted on 10/07/2016 5:06:48 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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To: MomwithHope

Mrs. Clinton, WHY are you not standing before your 30 years in the limelight and pointing behind you and saying THIS is who I am. THIS is what you’ll get if you vote for me!?


38 posted on 10/07/2016 5:17:57 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job....)
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To: vannrox

Too bad it is all fake

The author made up his friend

Anyone who thinks that Hillary is going to build a wall is a fool and does not exist

She is the champion of open borders and illegal immigration

This person is part of the imagination of the author

Fake


39 posted on 10/07/2016 5:22:15 AM PDT by arl295
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To: frnewsjunkie
Excuse me but it was bill clinton who set the country up for the huge fallout that happened with the housing crisis.

It was 5 decades of policies by both Repub and Democrat Presidents that set us up. Just more proof that the Ruling class has let down America.

40 posted on 10/07/2016 5:34:02 AM PDT by Paradox ("Wishing for a tautology to enact itself is not a strategy.")
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