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"I Listened To A Trump Supporter... Now I Understand"
zero hedge Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Bltizkrieg blog, ^ | Oct 6, 2016 7:54 PM | David A Hill Jr

Posted on 10/07/2016 3:17:10 AM PDT by vannrox

"I Listened To A Trump Supporter... Now I Understand"

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Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Bltizkrieg blog,

The following article by David A Hill Jr is simply outstanding.

Here are some powerful excerpts from the piece: I Listened to a Trump Supporter

I talked at length with a Trump supporter I grew up around. I wanted to understand. I respected her growing up. I wanted to know why a person as kind and compassionate as I remember her is voting for someone like Donald Trump.

 

She was a family friend, a good person. In rural Ohio, everything was tight. Money, jobs. If you really needed quick cash, she’d put you to work doing landscaping. She’d pay fairly and reliably for the area.

 

She’s voting for Donald Trump. I disagree with her choice, but I understand why she rejects Clinton so fiercely, and why she’s been swept up in Donald Trump’s particular brand of right-wing populism. I feel that on the left, it’s increasingly easy to ignore these people, to disregard them, to write them off as racists, bigots, or uneducated. I think that’s a loss for everyone involved, and that sometimes listening can help you to at least understand why a person is making the choices they make, so you can work on the root causes. For her, the root cause isn’t racism. In fact, I remember her as one of the only people in the area who proudly hired black workers, in a place where that was a huge issue. She fought over that choice.

 

But that’s enough background. Let me relay a bit of what she told me.

 

She’s a person who built her business from the ground up. She wasn’t rich, but was very comfortable for the area. She had a nice house, a nice car, and was stable. She achieved the American dream of not having to struggle. Things changed during the housing crisis. A landscaping business requires customers who need landscaping, and people who don’t own homes just don’t need landscaping. In some of these neighborhoods, one in five people lost their homes. That almost immediately turns a successful landscaping business into a struggling one.

 

Then there was a domino effect. She couldn’t pay for her lawn-care equipment leases and loans. That hurt her work efficiency. Then, she lost her car. But that didn’t stop the payments. Then, she lost her house. She slowly had to let go all of her employees, until it was just her, hand-mowing lawns for cash the way you might expect a high school student in the summertime.

 

She told me that every week, it seemed there was another default letter, another foreclosure, another bank demanding more blood from her dry veins. To her, that pile of default notices and demands for payment looked suspiciously similar to Hillary Clinton’s top donor list.

 

She lost everything she worked so hard for. Obama swore he was going to help. The Wall Street bailout did seem to help Wall Street. But it did absolutely nothing for her. She turns on the news and sees how the Dow Jones is doing better than ever. But that didn’t bring her house and livelihood back. Liberals insist that Obama’s made her life better. But, now she’s driving a car that falls apart randomly while having to pay those same banks for a car she doesn’t own and never will. It’s difficult to convince someone whose life is objectively worse that their life is better. And it’s disingenuous to try. You can break down the specifics, sure. But when someone’s hungry, and you’re busy silencing their complaints by telling them how well world hunger is improving, you’re just going to upset them.

 

This is not a person who is stupid or racist. She knows Bush caused the economy collapse with his irresponsible tax policies and wars. But she saw liberals as fighting for the banks’ recovery, to hell with her needs. She sees in Hillary someone who celebrates that approach. Who measures US success by the success of multinational mega corporations?—?corporations who undercut and destroy local businesses. This is a person who grew up in a town with a friendly neighborhood general store, a locally-owned hardware store, farmers’ markets, florists, and auto shops. All of these businesses closed when Walmart moved into town. All their owners now work at that Walmart for a fraction of their previous wages, no benefits, and no hope for something better, something of their own. And now, she sees a free trade supporting former Walmart executive about to come in to office, and it feels like salt in her community’s wounds.

 

This is a wounded person. Insulting her or continuing to hurt her isn’t going to help. She’s swept up in Trump’s message because she feels someone’s finally listening. Right-wing populism is an awful thing. But desperate people with their backs against the wall will grasp on to whatever they feel will bring a change. Neoliberal capitalism is not sustainable for these people.

 

Over the past few years, she tried getting back in her business. But a corporation moved in and is operating far cheaper, using undocumented immigrant labor. I should note: She specifically said she doesn’t hold it against the migrant workers. As she said, “They’ve got to take whatever jobs they can get. Just like we do. It’s not their fault. They didn’t choose to make prices so low that legal businesses couldn’t compete.” She was literally a “job creator”. And she wasbeing priced out by the very people Donald Trump insists are pricing her out. That hurts everyone, and it adds an air of authenticity to what he says.

 

I asked her if she supports Trump’s Mexico wall. She told me, “It doesn’t matter if I do. Hillary wants a wall, too. That wall’s gonna happen.” She wasn’t simply making this up. She’s heard this from many sources, Clinton being one of them. So to her, the idea of a border wall is a non-issue. I pressed her on the issue, and she said she thinks, “It’s a waste of money. If someone wants to cross the border, they’re gonna cross the border.”…

 

A few times, she seemed ashamed of things Trump’s said or done. I’d ask her to unpack her feelings. She said he sometimes upsets her, but “If you wait and wait for a flawless candidate, you’ll never find one.” She said she’d be much prouder to vote for Trump if he’d tone down his rhetoric.

This fits into my strongly held belief that people are looking for an excuse to vote for Trump. All he has to do to win is tone down some of his more heinous and idiotic tendencies.

I talked to her a bit about Bernie Sanders, to see what she thought of him. She told me, “He seemed like a nice enough guy. But I didn’t pay him much mind because there was no way he was gonna beat Clinton.” I talked with her about his platform, his policy proposals. She lit up. She told me, “It’s a real shame he didn’t make it.” She told me that if she knew him, his record, and his proposals, she’d have voted for him. I said that since the primary concluded, Hillary’s shifted some to adopt policies similar to his, and I asked if that changed her mind. She told me, “It doesn’t matter what she says. It matters what she’s done.”

 

No amount of insulting her from an ivory tower is going to change her mind. No amount of guffawing about her lack of education, her self-deception, her racism, or her internalized misogyny is going to change her mind. The only thing she’ll listen to is a promise of real change to the system that’s hurt her. If the Democratic Party can’t offer her a viable alternative, we’re going to see another neck-and-neck election in 2020, and in 2024, and in 2028.

 

These people need a populist answer. They need someone willing to listen to their very real concerns, and offer solutions that don’t look like Band-Aids on bullet wounds. If they had that on the left, we wouldn’t even be discussing Ohio as a “swing state”.

 

Right now, this is the discourse we’re seeing about Trump supporters. This only emboldens those attitudes. To people like her, this feels like the left is laughing at her for her unwillingness to get in line and support the things that have left her broke and broken.

The above excerpts are not the entire piece. You should read the whole thing: I Listened to a Trump Supporter.

The more deeply I think about this election, the more I agree that the above sentiments motivate Trump voters far more than feelings of racism or hate. As I noted in a piece published a few weeks ago, The Status Quo vs. Donald Trump:

This isn’t about me. This is about the American voter, and the more time passes, the more I understand the motivations of the vast majority of Trump supporters. It isn’t xenophobia or racism, it’s a vote against the status quo and the way they’ve strip mined and destroyed this country. It’s a FU vote and a major gamble, but it’s not as irrational or hateful as you might think.

This doesn’t mean that Trump won’t betray his supporters and prove to be the Republican version of Barack Obama, but it does mean that the dominant media narrative characterizing Trump supporters as a bunch of racist, uneducated brutes is pretty much just dishonest, elitist propaganda.



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A most excellent article.
1 posted on 10/07/2016 3:17:11 AM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox

Good article. I hear libs spewing the hate spoken about regarding us being racists, uneducated, etc. but I also know minorities that are secretly voting for Trump. Not many, but they are there. I also know highly educated people that are voting for Trump. My belief is that the talk about all of us being uneducated is a ploy to embarrass people into not voting for Trump. They are trying to mess with our heads. Liberals also have a huge superiority complex.

IMO, all this is doing is creating a lot of closet Trump supporters, at least I hope that is what is going on.


2 posted on 10/07/2016 3:26:04 AM PDT by Tennessee Conservative
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To: vannrox

Good post, but contains liberal b.s. Bush did not cause economic collapse, merely did not mitigate it well; democrats supported foreign wars.


3 posted on 10/07/2016 3:29:20 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Stay ignorant, my friends! (if you watch mainstream media, you will!))
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To: vannrox

Excuse me but it was bill clinton who set the country up for the huge fallout that happened with the housing crisis.

Dumb democrats who do not know the end results of their dumb decisions.


4 posted on 10/07/2016 3:29:21 AM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: vannrox

Sfl


5 posted on 10/07/2016 3:31:16 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Vote Trump. Defeat the Clinton Crime Syndicate. Reset America.)
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To: vannrox

bookmark


6 posted on 10/07/2016 3:33:21 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: vannrox

Hillary is not going to build the wall. She is going to bury any opposition of the Rat Progressive dream once and for all in a human wave of immigration and legalization of the illegals already here.


7 posted on 10/07/2016 3:34:15 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Yes, arrogance and ignorance are a toxic mix.


8 posted on 10/07/2016 3:34:38 AM PDT by gogeo (Black Lives Matter to Donald Trump.)
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We’re not rube hayseeds out here voting For Trump. The author is right when he says this is an FU vote to the status quo a la the establishment of both parties. He also says it is a major gamble on our part voting for Trump. Really? Hillary with promised IOUs of national security and trade secrets to some bad people if she’s able to cheat her way to the White House is rolling snake eyes and sure doom for the nation.


9 posted on 10/07/2016 3:35:04 AM PDT by dowcaet (.)
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... why she’s been swept up in Donald Trump’s particular brand of right-wing populism ...

.. as opposed to left-wing populism, like 'free' Obamaphones.

10 posted on 10/07/2016 3:35:56 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (Globalism = Terrorism)
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This is what jumped out the most -

She told me, “It doesn’t matter what she says. It matters what she’s done.”

I think this is key and Trump did hammer on that in the first debate. What has she done for the last 30 years? And she is still spouting the same old Marxist rhetoric.

11 posted on 10/07/2016 3:36:58 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Missing you /johnny (JRandomFreeper). Time to Pray, Prepare, and Participate.)
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Right-wing populism is an awful thing.

Well, I suppose it is, if you're a baby-killing, child-molester faggot democRAT....raping the taxpayers and riding the statist gravy train.

12 posted on 10/07/2016 3:38:52 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, RINOs......same thing.)
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To: vannrox

Should have been titled “I listened to a former Obama supporter”


13 posted on 10/07/2016 3:44:47 AM PDT by CelesteChristi
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“This is not a person who is stupid or racist. She knows Bush caused the economy collapse with his irresponsible tax policies and wars.”

A Dem talking point which is ipso facto incorrect.

Congress sets tax and spending policy not the president. The Dems took Congress in Jan 2007. It was their mortgage lending policies which caused the housing crisis. It was their 2007 budget and polices that brought the economy down.


14 posted on 10/07/2016 3:50:07 AM PDT by Justa
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Bush did not cause economic collapse

I never really supported either Bush but felt there was no choice but the lesser of two evils. Nonetheless, after the shock of 9/11 the economy rebounded and was actually humming along quite nicely until Pelosi took over congress.

Never understood why W never pointed that out and left the field wide open for the Dems and MSM to perpetuate the fiction.

15 posted on 10/07/2016 3:53:17 AM PDT by stormhill
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Lots of liberal BS, the writer may as well have said something like, the lady has gone off the deep end but I understand what drove her crazy, now she is going to vote for that crazy Donald Trump but I can’t find any way to prove to her that she is making a big mistake.


16 posted on 10/07/2016 4:03:54 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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This is not a person who is stupid or racist. She knows Bush caused the economy collapse with his irresponsible tax policies and wars.

Wait, then she is stupid. Housing bubble. Next question.

17 posted on 10/07/2016 4:06:59 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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"It isn’t xenophobia or racism, it’s a vote against the status quo and the way they’ve strip mined and destroyed this country. It’s a FU vote and a major gamble, but it’s not as irrational or hateful as you might think."

1st of all, one correction, it wasn't the Bush/Bank collapse. Notice, no mention of Fanny & Freddie, The CRDA, Raines, Gorelick, and the whole fakata carnival that was Fannie and Freddie and Barney Frank covering for them amongst others like Maxine Waters, but let that go....

It hit me working on a campaign in 2010, and my question was why isn't the Tea Party focusing it's ire at K-Street, the source of all this madness IMHO. Now the FU noted is pointed at K-Street and all of DC.

I wasn't crazy after all, or this writer found my old post...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3300832/posts?page=47#47

also Post "171"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3318182/posts?page=159#170

18 posted on 10/07/2016 4:10:38 AM PDT by taildragger (Not my Monkey, not my Circus...)
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To: frnewsjunkie

The libtards don’t know about CRAP. To them everything was Bush’s fault. Of course Bush didn’t invent CRAP but he did endorse it.


19 posted on 10/07/2016 4:11:31 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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On my drive in, I listened to NPR. They were doing an “interview a voter before and after the debate” schtick. The guy they interviewed (Ohio voter) was union blue collar. He’s always voted democrat, his parents and grandparents voted democrat. The union always told them to vote democrat. He voted for Obama twice.

He’s voting for Trump this time.

This is something I noticed in 2015, when I was a nevertrumper: That Trumps message will ring true with a LOT of democrats, and especially Bernie supporters. It’s why I took issue with Michael Medved at the time. His take was we didn’t want trump because he could not win. My take was that he would get a LOT more democrat and independent votes because he was hitting people at an emotional level and he was sort of an enemy to the R party. That actually gives the disgruntled democrats “permission” to vote for him.


20 posted on 10/07/2016 4:15:10 AM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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