Clinton is now beating Trump in 5 must-win battleground states

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[God luvs America]

I don’t know how accurate this is but:

Florida - D+8 2012= 50.01% rats, 49.13% GOP <1%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida,_2012

North Carolina - D+9 2012= 50.39% GOP, 48.35% rats +2% GOP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_North_Carolina,_2012

Pennsylvania - D+8 2012= 51.97% rats, 46.59% GOP <5%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Pennsylvania,_2012

Virginia - D+5 2012 = 47.28%R- 51.16% rats <4%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Virginia,_2012

[vinny29]

I don’t know the other states but in NC a lot of Democrats vote Republicans they are just Democrats so they can vote in local elections etc....... Hillary is scared she is not moving her base to vote for her.

[Dagnabitt]

Trump blew the debate. It’s comforting to believe otherwise, but he showed himself unable to put away a terrible and corrupt opponent. He appeared over-matched with regard to factual and policy knowledge.

As for the PPP poll: in 2012 their final polls overestimated ROMNEY’S election day support by 1.6 percent.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/which-polls-fared-best-and-worst-in-the-2012-presidential-race/?_r=0

[Mollypitcher1]

Florida is Trump country.

[basalt]

Mcgovern chased him all over the country in 1972, demanding to debate...Nixon just laughed told him to get lost. Then just absolutely crushed him.

[MNJohnnie]

PPP is a Democrat poll. It would be wise to take this with a very large grain of salt

[vinny29]

Wait, they still have two more debates and TRUMP is NOT Romney. He will call her lies out. Remember Obama in the 2012 first debate he blew it but came back and you don't see President Romney around do you?

[MNJohnnie]

Democrat poll. Not all polls are equal. Take this with the same grain of salt you would a poll coming out of the Trump campaign.

[basalt]

This is gonna be a turnout election, ignore the polls. no way does Hillary get Obama’s voters out like 08 and 12. Trump wins by 6 points...

[MNJohnnie]

This is not 2012. If you look at the internals they over sampled Dems and the pay master for this poll is a Hillary superpac. Take this one with the same grain of salt you would take a poll from Trumps campaign.

[MNJohnnie]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/

Take a look. Notice they specially identify this poll as a D (Democrat) poll? Not all polls are created equally.

[basalt]

Also, the NBC poll has the libs freaked out...poll says Hillary won the debate...but that Trump is winning 30%!!! of Hispanic vote in Nevada. Brian Williams was almost in tears last no night...he just wouldn’t accept it. Trump wins this easily in November

[Dagnabitt]

If Trump debated like Romney did the first 2012 debate, he’d be up by 10 points.

Romney is a backstabbing weasel, but he is a much stronger debater than Trump. Objectively speaking, Cruz is also very good at debates. Something about treachery and debate skills seem to correlate. Slipperiness can be useful I suppose.

[ExTexasRedhead]

No way.

[xzins]

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_92916.pdf

They have a 41/34/25 (D/R/I) split.

Gallup party affiliation poll says it should be:

31/27/38 (D/R/I)

They have gender at 53/47 f/m and the US census 2013 says it’s 52/48 f/m

Start reading the questions in this poll at number Q13. Start counting how many are negative about Donald Trump and how many mention Clinton at all.

Read question 27: 50 Obama, 40 Romney, 10 other.

Actual election results in 2012: 51.7 Obama, 47.2 Romney, 1.1 other.

This sample of likely voters, if they’re likely to have voted in the past, has an odd mix of supporters for Obama and a lack of supporters for Romney.

[vinny29]

Michelle, Romney didn’t excited the Republican base the were millions of Republicans who didn’t vote and Romney didn’t even fought for the black votes in the inner cities like TRUMP is doing. Obama mobilized the blacks and they voted about 94% or 96% for him. Hillary will be lucky if she gets 84% that right there should be enough to beat her. Look all the polls that talks about excitement in this election and all of them say the REPUBLICANS are.

[webheart]

I tell you, Trump is playing it like a boxing match. Three rounds. There’s some bobbing and weaving to do to get the feel of your opponent. Land a few blows, take a few, clinch at times. If you give it all away I the first round, you might not be able to punch your way back in. I say don’t take away too much from one debate of three because that is all we have seen so far. Talk about winner and loser after the third round.

Remember Romney. I thought he had it sewn up after his first debate. But then his opponents changed tactics on him. The whole second debate Obama would say something like strong national defense and Romney could only stand there and say “well I agree with that. “ Totally neutralized. We all know how his election went.

[TheLurkerX]

Yep, they did the same thing CNN did after the debate. They stacked the polls with Dems.

[Milton Miteybad]

Look, Trump was terrible in the debate, he was AWFUL. Blame the poles, accuse Hillary of cheating, make any excuses you want but it does not change the fact that Hillary kicked his ass.

I'm glad that somebody else saw this. He was unprepared for the debate and actually admitted as much at one point on the stage. That admission created a mile-wide opening for Hillary, through which she drove her verbal tank at 50 mph by saying, "That's right, Donald...I did prepare for this debate. And you know what else I prepared for...I prepared to become President of the United States!"

In a one-on-one debate, you never leave your opponent an opening like that. Trump opened the door, and she steamrolled right over him with that line. With that gaffe, he managed to make her look far more accomplished than she actually is. With Trump committing blunders like that, Hillary didn't even need to cheat. At the moment he admitted that he had not prepared for the debate, Hillary probably couldn't believe her good luck in being handed (gift-wrapped, no less!) a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to portray herself as far more adroit than she really is.

The whole thing was pretty much over at that point, considering that she came out of that exchange looking like Superwoman. Now, while these debates aren't going to change any minds that are already made up, they can have an influence on the decision processes of people who are still undecided. Those are the people Trump needs to convince, and I just can't see any undecided voters moving into the Trump column based on Monday's event.

Say whatever you will about Ted Cruz, but if I were with the Trump campaign, I'd be asking Cruz if he has any advice that will help Trump avoid a repeat of Monday's debacle.

[vinny29]

Yes, I see what you said but Romney was not an attacker he was just a weasel and Obama with the help of the MSM ate his lunch. Trump attacks he is a winner just watch him.