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#TrumpWon the debate? Legitimate polls show otherwise (The CBC's pollster is mad at Trump)
CBC News Website ^ | Posted: Sep 28, 2016 12:23 PM ET | By Éric Grenier

Posted on 09/28/2016 3:27:45 PM PDT by jerod

Online 'polls' pegged Donald Trump as the presidential debate winner, but scientific polls did not.

The hashtag #TrumpWon was trending on Twitter Tuesday. Partially boosted by sarcasm, it was fuelled primarily by Donald Trump, who was quick to claim he won Monday's debate by citing a slew of online polls that pegged him as the winner.

But there's a problem. None of the polls Trump has pointed to are actually legitimate polls. Instead, all of the scientific, real polls published so far have shown him to be the loser of the debate by significant margins.

In the world of public opinion research, the "online polls" that litter news websites are a plague. Whereas real surveys try to assemble representative samples of the population, these online polls are more of a gimmick or a game. Anyone can answer them. Often people can answer them multiple times. They can invite their friends, who likely think just like them, to answer the online polls on social media.

And then they can point to these completely unrepresentative and meaningless results as if they signal something important...

(Excerpt) Read more at cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: canada; debate; trump
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Boohoo.... Trump is claiming victory and apparently Mr. Grenier, a CBC talking head and the CBC's favourite pollster doesn't agree... Hey, at least the Communist Broadcasting Company is allowing comments on this analysis piece... Usually, they don't because they know somebody is either going to criticise them or their favourite Prime Minister Selfie Trudeau.
1 posted on 09/28/2016 3:27:45 PM PDT by jerod
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The Gravis poll essentially said Trump won, and they're a legitimate pollster.

But sure, keep telling us about that D+15 CNN flash poll.

2 posted on 09/28/2016 3:29:33 PM PDT by Trump20162020
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Of course they’re not scientific, but Hillary’s supporters could have voted in those polls that Trump’s supporters voted in many times.


3 posted on 09/28/2016 3:30:35 PM PDT by TakebackGOP
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To: jerod

So the people aka voters say Trump won the media people say Hillary won. Bwahahahahaha


4 posted on 09/28/2016 3:30:49 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: jerod

The Donald won, say Metro readers in online poll
http://www.metro.us/news/the-donald-won-say-metro-readers-in-online-poll/zsJpiB-—2B22apdPdOZcg/


5 posted on 09/28/2016 3:31:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: jerod

Trump needs to establish a break away lead.


6 posted on 09/28/2016 3:31:37 PM PDT by Ray76
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Next week’s polls will tell the story.

I don’t think too many minds were changed, myself.


7 posted on 09/28/2016 3:31:40 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: TakebackGOP

Well no doubt if they have their pants in a knot about polls imagine how they’ll all be when Trump wins the election!!!!


8 posted on 09/28/2016 3:31:45 PM PDT by caww
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Hillary was signaling the moron with the questions.

Watch how she touches her face.


9 posted on 09/28/2016 3:31:58 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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Sure, you effin Moron. ANd the pukes you “poll” so scientifically say that Rubio or Carly won every debate hands down. Just like the ignorant pundits said.


10 posted on 09/28/2016 3:32:52 PM PDT by pissant ((Deport 'em all))
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“But sure, keep telling us about that D+15 CNN flash poll.”

Actually that poll was 41% Democrat vs 26% Repblican which works out to about 60% more Democrats than Republicans so the 15% figure is misleading.


11 posted on 09/28/2016 3:36:16 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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Online polls are not scientific but what they do show is voter enthusiasm. Trump is kicking tail in this factor and it will be hard to beat come November 8th. We couldn’t win online polls when McCain and Romney ran because the liberals were out in full force. Now the opposite is true.


12 posted on 09/28/2016 3:37:13 PM PDT by Revelation Concepts
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Canadian Broadcasting care so much? LoL.


13 posted on 09/28/2016 3:38:03 PM PDT by Red Steel
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The Gravis poll essentially said Trump won, and they’re a legitimate pollster
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That’s true. Trump gains voters. Hillary loses voters.

But ask those same people who won the debate and they will very likely give Hillary a slight edge. But these people don’t care if she “won the debate”. They like Trump the unpolished debater and his policies and they’re going to vote for him.

The MSM really cannot and never will understand why this happening.


14 posted on 09/28/2016 3:38:12 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (Ted, you should have endorsed. Big mistake.)
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These people are so fighting the last war. Of course the online polls are not ‘scientific.’ Who cares?

Online polls are the positive campaign ads of the 21st Century.


15 posted on 09/28/2016 3:38:49 PM PDT by Chaguito
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None of this really matters. I’ve never seen an election for President where a candidate lost because of what he said in a debate. The only reason the Liberals are up in arms and feel the necessity to write the stories and hammer on the poll results which in fact are unscientific is because they know that the general public does not differentiate between scientific and unscientific polls and they know that seeing all these polls showing Trump a clear winner unscientific as they may be are going to bolster him and build his momentum going into the final month.

Excuse syntax,using speech to text.


16 posted on 09/28/2016 3:39:28 PM PDT by billyboy15
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Did the lead for Trump increase after the debate in the Gravis poll ? At least that was a professional research firm and non-media although they were just registered voters. Any others showing good results, besides Gravis and L.A. Times/USC ?


17 posted on 09/28/2016 3:39:50 PM PDT by erlayman (yw)
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Yes it did.


18 posted on 09/28/2016 3:42:08 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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...online polls are more of a gimmick or a game. Anyone can answer them....

Not only that, but anybody can chose to make a small donation to a candidate. So Trump being way ahead on small donations is meaningless.

Also, anybody can argue online for their candidate, so Trump being way ahead there is meaningless.

Also anybody can attend a rally for their candidate, so Trump being way way ahead there is totally absolutely utterly meaningless.

And any legal citizen can vote for their candidate, and when way more vote for Trump, that will also be completely meaningless.

What's meaningful is a sampling that is chosen to be extra heavy on people who might vote for Hilary. And finding these kind of people require professionals well trained in this special kind of work...either that or it requires journalists just asking around the newsroom.

19 posted on 09/28/2016 3:43:57 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Hating Islam is the natural consequence of caring about people in the Middle East, including Muslims)
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They are losing control and are in a panic.


20 posted on 09/28/2016 3:44:30 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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