Cruz called in to Beck's show this morning

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[Chengdu54]

Beck took Cruz's call a few minutes ago. Cruz sounded rational.

[Frederick303]

Good point Cruz did hold the line/argue on the senate floor for a lot of conservative points when no one else was. He did fight the good verbal fight, so to speak. I grant you that and cheer him for it.

But beyond that, well...... The fact is in all of his verbal wit he never actually took a stance which accomplished anything. It was all words and no action. What piece of leftist legislation did he ever defeat and what piece of good conservative legislation did he manage to get enacted?

If you are going to say defeat of the immigration reform, well that is an example of him speaking out of both sides od his mouth. At the time he said he wanted it to pass, albeit with his added legislation that would have prevented illegal immigrants form becoming citizens. A very dubious amendment, one likely to be struck down the supreme court based on past decisions. But he was unable to get that through. The senate passed a really awful bill, that was defeated in the house. He was ineffective, no matter what his intent, to amend, pass or defeat the bill in the senate. At best he had good intentions at the time.

In fact the defeat of the immigration bill occurred because of the primary defeat of Cantor. Now that the history of that era has been put down, that is what the sequence of events show. Yet Cruz attempted to claim the defeat as his own. Mr. principle has an issue with truth, that is what bothers a lot of folks.

[BornToBeAmerican]

If Cruz had endorsed Trump even while siting their differences, but fully offering his FULL support he would have won over millions, but he instead lost them. He broke his word and that my friend is something that is very very hard to get back.

[RitaOK]

Beck and Cruz had opportunity. Beck educated viewers by exposing the web of the politically corrupt, Leftist, underground influence.

But. That was “yesterday”, for sure. He has collapsed since.

Same with Cruz, he performed by flogging the Bible, the flag and the Constitution. Then on paper, and by his actions he belched up “pathways to legalization”, facilitated TPP getting it to the floor for a vote, where Democrats got it over the line, naturally.

Tricky Cruz then could be seen voting against it in the old cloture dodge!

Nevermind Cruz upping the numbers of foreign workers from 65,000 rotating into the USA, to his 350,000.

This crap is the Chamber of Commerce/globalist agenda in.spades.

There is no denying both Heidi and Ted know the direction of power and wealth. She was working with the Council of Foreign Relations, for Goldman Sachs, producing the paper on The North American “Community”!

What so called, “conservative”, does this crap?

Cruz has collapsed, deservedly so, except for the few galactically naive.

[Lions Gate]

It was a strange interview with Beck & Cruz. I only stayed on the station because Cruz was speaking (I stopped listening to Beck a long time ago). Cruz was giving a rational explanation why he was always “Never-Hillary” and with the US Supreme Court and our freedoms at stake, had to support Trump.

For some reason, Beck and his “yuck-yuck” boys couldn’t seem to understand Cruz’ rationale and were very upset. No wonder their listeners have gone away - their show has gone off the rails and straight into the toilet.

[9YearLurker]

IMO Poppy became president by pretending to be a Texan in style (eating pork rinds, etc).

W became president by pretending doubly so—in style and political positioning.

Cruz wants to become president by pretending triply so—in style and political positioning and supposed purity of political positioning.

[DoughtyOne]

It is called an analogy. If one thing is compared to another. It is common in logical arguments.

While this can be seen as a reasoned comment, I don't belive all comparisons are analogies.  Bob is tall and Bill is not.  I wouldn't consider that an analogy.  LINK  

This comment of yours left me scratching my head, because you said a number of things and I did as well.  What exact comment by either of us brought this on?  What is it's relevance?

I disagree with you own assessment of Trump.

Okay, lets take a look.

He is not the man you think he is (and this is where I sincerely pray that I am wrong).

Beyond whether you are right or wrong, does the issue you are addressing really mean that he would or would not make a good president?  That's ultimately my criterea.

He cheated on his wife (others, too?).

We don't always know why men do this.  Often times it's the man's fault.  Sometimes it isn't.  Sometimes it is both the husband and the wife's fault.  Beyond that, of more importance to me is how he is generally livng his life now in the area of the infraction.  With Bill Clinton we knew he was being unfaithful to his wife.  He was also charged with violating women and being violent with them.  Bill continues to this day to fool around on his wife.  I don't think Trump has ever been acused of raping or abusing women.  As far as I know, he isn't fooling around on his current wife.  For this reason the issue fades in importance with me.  Do I approve of him ever doing it?  Generally no, but none of us knows exactly why he did it..  If he were doing it now, would I think him to be the sort of man we needed.  Most likely not, but there again, why?.  It could depend on why, and it could depend on who he as running against.

Loyalty and integrity do not matter to him.

If this is true, why are his employees loyal to him, even after being let go?  Somewhere there is a massive disconnect with Trump.  His employees don't complain when they work for him.  They don't complain when they leave his employment.  Somewhere along the line there is some integrity and loyalty going on isn't there.  Loyalty and integrity are not one way streets.  You have to give them to get them.

He makes personal attacks, e.g. “Little Marco Rubio”. Rubio was not even “my guy”. Personal attacks show a lack of intelligence.

In certain culture sub-sets, people talk about others in different ways than we are used to.  Trump seems to use the New Jersey model.  I'm not a big fan of it, but it doesn't rub me the wrong way enough to make a difference in my support.

When talking to and about other political figures, you have to be very careful how much 'station in life' you attribute to the other person.  The most glaring example of what I am talking about, was McCain's comments about the dangers of Obama as president.  It took McCain about thirty seconds to elevate Obama from a president wanna be, to a well respected infividual who was presidential.  You simply cannot do this sort of thing and expect to win.  McCain didn't.

Trump talked down against his oponents. What we learned after him doing it, was that in many cases, Trump's seeming insults were actually spot on observations.  By addressing them the way he did, Trump did the exact opposite of what McCain had.  He deflated their stature rather than inflating it.  That is a very decent tactic to incorporate into your game plan, if you can pull it off.  Jeb tried to return the favor, and wound up deflating himself further.  It's noy something just anyone can get away with.  Trump's own gavitas made it more acceptable when he did it.  Most folks laughed.  They didn't take it seriously.  They did sort of agree with the comment as well.

As part of his game plan, Trump used this effectively and it helped him win the nomination.

The folks that take big offense to this tactic, are generally the ones who find a number of things they don't like about Trump.  You fall into that camp.  Those that don't find many faults with him, don't see it like you do.

BTW: You have to be very clever to do this effectively.  Trump is no slouch when it comes to intelligence.  

He said openly that he has never had to ask for forgiveness, which would make him the Messiah. Humility matters.

Trump's incorrect take on the need for introspection, realizing mistakes, and asking for forgiviness, does not make him the Messiah.  He has never claimed to be the Messiah.  Truth matters...     

I can properly asses the guy I thought was best.

Couldn't prove that by me.

I can see through the phony stories and see his faults and his strengths.

Couldn't prove that by me either.  Your comment could have used a "properly" in there.

Can you do the same for Trump?

Yes, but whether I can or not, the absurdity is more your undeniable assessment that I can't, and thus the question.  You folks have a hard time with reality.

Can you admit his faults?

Yawn...

 If you ask him, he has none.

That is a sophomoric judgement.  A man doesn't only make mistakes with others.  He makes them in his daily work, his miscalculations, and things he has to correct.  You don't have to apologize for them, bu they are mistakes, and Trump has never said he was perfect.  This is just childish.

And honestly, I do not want a consensus maker.

Ted Cruz is a man so toxic to relationships, that there was a meeting he was chairing and nobody showed up but him.  These were members of his own party, if I remember correctly.  Tell me how that plays out if he was president and needed a team to drive his agenda through Congress.  Well, it wouldn't.  Ted can't even get his own team on board his ideas.  You must have consensus.

I think that is how we got where we are. Trump will bend on anything if he thinks in the end that his side wins. He has no moral grounding. He has said as much.

No he hasn't said as much.  You are making stuff up as you go to suit your agenda.  And you call Trump a liar?

Name three things Trump has removed from his platform that he campaigned on.

Vote your conscience. I am voting for not-hillary.

Oh I will, but thanks for your permission.

[kimtom]

“..Good point..”

Thanks for the insight.
I may disagree with assigning (his) motives though.

In a war you rally the allies and defeat the enemy.
we need all the help we can get in congress. I think in a Trump Admin. Cruz (and a few others)will be an strong ally.

(bickering aside)

Regards

[jrestrepo]

Done. You are clearly the winner.

By the way, my level of reality is beyond what most people have ever even experienced. Talk to me once you have young children and cancer and lose your job all within just a four years.

Take care.

[DoughtyOne]

Sorry to hear of those things JRestRepo.

I don’t wish anything bad for you. I just disagree and I’ve explained my viewpoint.

You take care also.

I wouldn’t say I won, because some folks will probably drop by and agree with you, and some may drop by and agree with me.

[reaganaut]

I don’t know your mother...did she?

[reaganaut]

Google - Glenn beck cruz white horse prophecy

I never liked Beck even before I found out he was LDS (and thus crazier than he first appeared). I get taking a breather, I did last cycle b/c of Romney (who was also claimed to be the fulfillment of the same Mormon prophecy by Beck)

[JAKraig]

when you talk about hunter take a look at the pedigree of his wife...The church hierarchy is all about the familiar relationship to the prophet. I have also read the correspondence between Benson Ezra Taft and David O McKay.
I belong to a writers group and we revue each others manuscript and one of the authors I work with does scholarly material on polygamy and the Mormon church. because of his research he has delved into the history of the Quarm and its presidents. there is nothing inherently wrong with the fact that the leadership has a pedigree if you look at the presidents of the united states you will find that most of them are related in some way to each other.
I have nothing against the church but like all organizations it is lead by flawed people just as myself am flawed. I just believe that Glen beck is trying to get this groups approval.

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I agree in part, we all want approval, but, trying to get into the group is different than trying to get their approval. It seemed to me that you were saying he wanted in, that I would doubt.

[AllAmericanGirl44]

Lol, yep, you hold that thought for all it’s worth. I’m sure it comforts you.

Cruz is skating on very thin ice.

[ETL]

What have you got against conservatives?