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Longing for the Male Gaze
NY Times ^ | September 21, 2016 | Jennifer Bartlett

Posted on 09/21/2016 10:25:05 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: C19fan

Was working a function as a reserve police officer many years ago. Had my Raybans on. Pretty girl says “You look just like that guy on Top Gun”. I said, “No, I don’t look like Tom Cruise”. She says, “No, the other one...Goose”.


61 posted on 09/21/2016 12:10:15 PM PDT by suthener
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To: fhayek
I knew a guy whose face was terribly pitted from acne. He compensated by becoming a joke machine gun.

Funny that. I have a very good friend who is quite short. Not very good looking, but not ugly either, but smart as a whip. Developed both his voice to be very commanding, and also a wicked sense of humor. He told me: "when I was a kid, I got picked on a lot, so I learned to use my mouth to protect myself."

Same skills worked with women too....

62 posted on 09/21/2016 12:17:30 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: IronJack
Same here. I got dumped several times by women who said they didn’t think I was interested because I hadn’t tried to get in their pants.

63 posted on 09/21/2016 12:22:49 PM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: sparklite2

Atlanta women?
Those would be Southern Belles.
No comparison to Seattle women whatsoever.
And if you don’t understand, then all I can say is
bless your heart.


64 posted on 09/21/2016 12:32:42 PM PDT by mumblypeg (Make America Sane Again)
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To: C19fan

I cannot remember a time in my life when I wanted sexual attention from strange men. I think life is great when people treat each other with cheerful civility, regardless of anyone’s appearance.


65 posted on 09/21/2016 12:38:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The coming of a Cthulhu presidency will be heralded by a worldwide wave of madness.)
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To: C19fan

I see a lot of men who back off because they don’t want to be accused of, or sued for sexual harassment. Many women want to be treated as ‘’equals’’, not sex objects. Strait men aren’t going to give cat-calls to other strait men!

I remember growing up and getting more cat calls than I knew what to do with.. When you are 13, the last thing (well at least in those days) a girl want(ed) was to be cat called by some chunky, pot-bellied, unshaved, holey tee-shirted, couch potatoed slob. Gosh, it was embarrassing enough if the cutest, most popular boy in school looked in your direction lol! Are girls still like that today????

I’m an older woman and my girlish figure is long gone. I have life lines on my face, but I have a beautiful smile, don’t need to dye my hair, and I have a twinkle in my eye. I STILL get the ‘looks’ from the youngER, on up.

I am in a new relationship (2 years tentatively growing) with a man who strongly resembles Sam Elliot and who is a few years younger than myself. This man has women falling all over him, daily. I’m the one who wasn’t impressed lol! HE frequently feels uncomfortable despite being a rather flirtatious personality. Why? He doesn’t want superficial, he wants meaningful. He’s tired of being treated like a sex object by women, even if it is flattering at times. When superficial is all you get, it DOES get tiring!

Being treated as a non-person sex object gets old, even for men.


66 posted on 09/21/2016 12:55:18 PM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: sparklite2
Atlanta is the polar opposite. I went to a place for business lunch and got so many looks I checked to see if my fly was open.

Atlanta use to be chalk full of lovely southern belle types ... women outnumbered men by a fairly large number. Not sure to what extent that has changed, if at all, I'm going back a few decades.

67 posted on 09/21/2016 1:07:41 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: V_TWIN
Modest and humble too. /s/

Maybe if she was modest and humble, and sweet-tempered and helpful, and clever and interesting, she could have met, in the course of her real life, a nice man who got to know her, loved her, and married her. Plenty of disabled men and women fall in love and get married - often, though not always, to spouses who do not have disabilities.

68 posted on 09/21/2016 1:19:50 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The coming of a Cthulhu presidency will be heralded by a worldwide wave of madness.)
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To: Tax-chick

This thread provides a fascinating insight into the minds of FReepers, and conservatives overall.

Just think how this thread would play out on Huffpo!

I love my FR, and I love that I married a small town Texas girl.

You folks get it.


69 posted on 09/21/2016 1:27:04 PM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: suthener
Pretty girl says “You look just like that guy on Top Gun”. I said, “No, I don’t look like Tom Cruise”. She says, “No, the other one...Goose”.

He's straighter looking than Tom Cruise, so, good.

70 posted on 09/21/2016 1:29:34 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (We will be one People, under one God, saluting one American flag. --Donald Trump (standing ovation))
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To: PapaBear3625; All
Women are pleased when they get looked at by men THEY find attractive, and outraged when men they don't find attractive dare to speak to them.

Absolutely 100% correct!
71 posted on 09/21/2016 1:34:36 PM PDT by notdownwidems (Washington DC has become the enemy of free people everywhere)
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To: T-Bone Texan
It sometimes seems that there are at least two parallel universes: that of regular people, and that of New York Times-writer people. This writer seems to be in her 40s, at least, and it seems like she should know about meeting people. You go to a party or an art exhibit or a soup kitchen, and you talk to people (including men) about the activity, and then someone who thinks you're nice, irrespective of disability, asks you out to dinner, etc.

My adult sons seem to find this whole idea very puzzling, but the writer is from a generation that often spoke to other people, rather than staring at phones.

72 posted on 09/21/2016 1:34:57 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The coming of a Cthulhu presidency will be heralded by a worldwide wave of madness.)
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To: notdownwidems

Oh, that’s just silly, unless you lump everyone who is polite and friendly into the “attractive” category ... which I suppose you can, since there’s little that’s “attractive” about someone who is impolite and unfriendly.


73 posted on 09/21/2016 1:37:15 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The coming of a Cthulhu presidency will be heralded by a worldwide wave of madness.)
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To: Married with Children; All
I thought women always talk about how relationships should be based on honesty?

That's just your honesty! It's perfectly ok for them to be dishonest. Just 'playing the game', don't you see?
74 posted on 09/21/2016 1:39:29 PM PDT by notdownwidems (Washington DC has become the enemy of free people everywhere)
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To: notdownwidems
That's just your honesty! It's perfectly ok for them to be dishonest.

Well sure. Nobody likes to get blindsided ;o)

75 posted on 09/21/2016 1:48:26 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: sparklite2

I had good luck at PWP (long time ago) because I was willing to go out and dance. And I’m not the cowboy type one bit.


76 posted on 09/21/2016 1:51:03 PM PDT by Ace's Dad (Happiness would be command of a battery of ballistic missile interceptors or an Aegis cruiser.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I recall - way back in the ‘90s - sitting in a dentist’s office, thumbing through magazines.

One had an article by a semi-prominent feminist of that time whose name I have long forgotten, but whose words I will always remember:

“The problem with sexism is that it’s sexy.”

Women are females - and females respond on an instinctual level to overtly male behavior - no matter how much communists try to alter human makeup.

Couple instinct with sinfulness, and everything that goes on in society makes sense.

I am the last to argue in favor of womanizing behavior. I have been in the ministry, and have often fought against the Sexual Double Standard, by which a young male is celebrated as a stud for engaging in fornication, while a young female is humiliated as a slut for engaging in the same.

Look at how an athlete like Derek Jeter is glorified for sexually exploiting dozens of women - even to the extent of being called a true gentleman by the likes of Mark Levin, a so-called conservative. (Jeter has the freedom to do as he wills with a legal, willing female. I, on the other hand, have the freedom to denounce him as no gentleman.)

I have also long been appalled by the extent to which so-called Good Girls in the institutionalized church fall for Bad Boys.

The explanation, of course, is the above: instinct coupled with sinfulness.

I personally think that one of the reasons that feminists are so willing to defend Muslims is that male Muslims are unambiguously sexist, and these women subconsciously find them more sexually attractive than the Western men they have successfully neutered.

(One of the most feminist, assertive, capable, liberated - supposedly - American women with whom I have ever worked married a Muslim man after she switched jobs. We had previously kept in contact for purely business reasons, but I literally never spoke to her again after she married him: Her husband always answered the telephone, and never permitted her to speak to me. I remembered then how she had denounced the American men she had formerly dated as being unmasculine.)


77 posted on 09/21/2016 1:55:07 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: sparklite2

See my other post: instinct coupled with sinfulness.

Mankind is fallen.

Women are every bit as corrupt as men, but because of their differences biologically, and therefore culturally - biology comes first, not culture, which is where the communists are in error, always putting the cart before the horse - women tend to be more passive and thus project their sexual desires onto their chosen males. Aggressive, selfish males thus have an advantage with such females.

Good Girls (ostensibly) often have a fatal attraction to Bad Boys. As a minister, I have at times despaired of the institutionalized church ever addressing this honestly and openly. The males are typically indulged, while the females are typically damaged. Both parties are responsible for their choices, but the church must address sin as sin: Using women - with or without their consent - is wrong in the context of a Christian fellowship, period.

As a young man, I was in the category of Good Guy, and sure enough, the many church girls who highly valued me as a friend and (later) as a teacher, generally declined to date me. Many of them ended up with jocks and jerks; some of them are now divorced.

It is the way of the world: Humanity is fallen and in need of redemption.


78 posted on 09/21/2016 2:22:28 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: mumblypeg
Just because they're from the South doesn't automatically make them Southern Belles. There's b!tches, skanks, and b!tchy skanks from every place on earth.

Genuine Southern Belles really are something, though.

79 posted on 09/21/2016 2:37:05 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: Tax-chick

I don’t think it is silly at all. More often than not, the women I approached acted insulted that I had even spoken to them. Guys have to learn to accept rejection; women need to learn how to say ‘no’ without humiliating the poor guy who was probably terrified to approach her in the first place.


80 posted on 09/21/2016 2:38:01 PM PDT by sparklite2 (The game overs whether you play it or not.)
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