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Can America's first floating wind farm shake off environmental concerns?
The Guardian ^ | July 31, 2016 | Matt Weiser

Posted on 08/12/2016 9:31:57 PM PDT by rockinqsranch

The deep waters off the coast of California could become home to the country’s largest offshore wind energy project and a test case for a technology that is still in its infancy.

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: electricity; environment; wind
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1 posted on 08/12/2016 9:31:57 PM PDT by rockinqsranch
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According to what I read they don’t yet have a customer lined up for this project.


2 posted on 08/12/2016 9:32:43 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists Call 'em what you will, they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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A complete waste of time and MONEY. What do expect from crazy leftist RATS with Governor Moonbeam at the helm. They will never learn, they have no conscience, no brain.


3 posted on 08/12/2016 9:34:56 PM PDT by Fungi (Make America America again.)
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Right, and Moonbeam wants to keep all the money for his choo choo.


4 posted on 08/12/2016 9:38:21 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists Call 'em what you will, they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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By the time a “wind turbine” is all worn out, it has not quite paid for itself.

Without subsidies, it’s a bust.


5 posted on 08/12/2016 9:38:43 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Canadians can't be our President.)
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To: rockinqsranch

Go for it, I don’t like seagulls anyway.


6 posted on 08/12/2016 9:41:05 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: rockinqsranch

The land-based wind turbines need constant maintenance and fail and fall apart all the time. If one drives past a wind farm one will notice that most are not spinning since most failed some time prior and were abandoned in place.

I can imagine how quickly this will turn into a giant field of rusted floating junk in the marine environment.


7 posted on 08/12/2016 9:45:45 PM PDT by KamperKen
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To: rockinqsranch
Such b.s. projects do not exist without heavy public subsidies. Then ofc there are issues of the ludicrous over-promising involved in all wind power projects.... they can never provide steady power to the rated output, they will be idle or at low output for long periods of time, with power necessarily supplemented by other methods.... but the propagandists will take some wildly optimistic number such as "200,000 homes" and pretend that this project will actually provide that kind of power. Total b.s.

"The Trident project, which could power more than 200,000 homes" B.S. B.S. B.S.
8 posted on 08/12/2016 9:46:00 PM PDT by Enchante (Hillary's new campaign slogan: "Guilty as hell, free as a bird!! Laws are for peasants!")
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To: rockinqsranch

We tried to do this off the coast of Delaware, with one of the windiest places on earth.

The economics did not work, even with subsidies and Delaware ratepayers willing to pay extra money each month for “green” energy.

The construction and maintenance costs of windfarms at sea are too high to be cost effective. Storms at sea and a harsh salt water environment add costs and shorten component life, far more than on land.

Thorium nuclear is the way to go.


9 posted on 08/12/2016 9:46:47 PM PDT by exit82 (Road Runner sez:" Let's Make America Beeping Great Again! Beep! Beep!")
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...they don't yet have a customer lined up for this project. Why not tow it and tether it to Guam. They would be the perfect first customer. After all, Guam is already floating, so what's the risk?They just have to firmly anchor the island so it doesn't propel itself to China, where it will probably be manufactured anyway.
10 posted on 08/12/2016 10:06:26 PM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER; All

As the chart in the article shows, several countries are growing their off shore wind faster than the US. Isn’t there an economy of scale at which point it begins to make good economic sense?


11 posted on 08/12/2016 10:14:34 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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“.....After all, Guam is already floating, so what’s the risk?.....”

It might flip over, or so some Democrat said.


12 posted on 08/12/2016 10:20:16 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists Call 'em what you will, they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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Guam, where I live, is actually small enough, isolated enough and windy enough (We sit in the equatorial trade winds and the wind blows here all the time) Electricity prices are nearly 4 time the average cost in the mainland US.

The problem would be the typhoons

Please forget about the politicians joke about Guam tipping over. It is really offensive to the people that live here. Besides everyone knows that Guam is going to sink under a load of corruption


13 posted on 08/12/2016 10:46:00 PM PDT by Fai Mao
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To: rockinqsranch

a test case for a technology that is still in its infancy.

That premise is laughable in the extreme. An example from recent history would be the windchargers of the 30’s that went by by just as soon as rural electrification came along, also in the thirties. Wind when it blows, is fine, but when and where and how long and how much also enters the equation, and turns the math and money involved into a great big Z E R O.

Green energy, a utopian concept best shown the door. Coal is still the cheapest and most available energy producer and the more we attempt to ignore the facts, the more we will swat gnats and empty our pockets in the quest for what isn’t sustainable, beneficial, cost effective, or smart.


14 posted on 08/13/2016 2:29:04 AM PDT by wita
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To: KamperKen

It’s a way to money launder tax payers funds to democrat campaign donors.

They don’t care if they fail.


15 posted on 08/13/2016 3:33:49 AM PDT by stockpirate (BEST F'ING ELECTION EVER)
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To: gleeaikin
Isn’t there an economy of scale at which point it begins to make good economic sense?

Yes, when the machine produces more energy (value) than is required to build it. I believe the same is true of silicon based photovoltaics...When subsidies dry up....production orders fall off.

Maybe if we got real cheap ones from China...and had wetbacks install them for 5 bucks an hour.

Then there's the bird death issue.

16 posted on 08/13/2016 4:24:13 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Canadians can't be our President.)
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To: rockinqsranch

The off shore wind rigs will serve as precedence way for off shore drill rigs


17 posted on 08/13/2016 4:28:48 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... We Frack for Peace)
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To: Fai Mao
forget about the politicians joke about Guam tipping over. It is really offensive to the people that live here.

Take it up with the Black Caucasians. It wasn't a joke, but he is.

18 posted on 08/13/2016 4:29:08 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Canadians can't be our President.)
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"The problem would be the typhoons"

Not really. WT are designed so that the blades automatically feather and lock above certain speeds. Designing floating structures capable of withstanding typhoons/hurricanes is straightforward known engineering (see "oil drilling platforms") I'm from south Louisiana, where oil platforms routinely withstand hurricanes. They shut down production and evac the crews until the storm passes.

19 posted on 08/13/2016 4:55:04 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: KamperKen

“I can imagine how quickly this will turn into a giant field of rusted floating junk in the marine environment.”

Or, at the bottom of the ocean polluting the water.

Those wacky environmentalists...


20 posted on 08/13/2016 5:05:32 AM PDT by moovova
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