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China’s Fleet of ‘Carrier Killer’ Destroyers Is Growing
The Daily Caller News Foundation ^ | 08/10/2016 | RYAN PICKRELL

Posted on 08/11/2016 6:53:06 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

China recently produced another “carrier killer” destroyer, the latest in an ever-expanding fleet of Chinese ships capable of threatening American naval power in the highly-contested Asia Pacific.

The eleventh People’s Liberation Army Navy Type 052D Luyang III-class destroyer, an elite class of guided-missile destroyers, took to the waters just last week. As is, China already has more of these ships than Japan has Aegis destroyers.

The newest addition to China’s collection of Type 052D destroyers was built by Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Company (DSIC). This is the second ship of this type that DSIC has completed. The first is currently in the process of being outfitted for combat, and a third is already being constructed.

The primary shipyard for the Type 052D Luyang III-class destroyer is the Jiangnan Shipyard, which has already produced nine destroyers of this type. Its ninth Type 052D destroyer set sail last month on July 28.

According to a recent article in The Diplomat, China had initially signaled that it would only construct 12 Type 052D Luyang III-class destroyers and then switch to the production of Type 055D multipurpose cruisers, but China has since placed an order for four more Type 052D destroyers.

The Type 052D Luyang III-class destroyer, nicknamed “China’s Aegis,” fits perfectly into China’s anti-access, area-denial (AA/AD) strategy, a largely projectile-based strategy which China has been using to keep other regional actors, specifically the United States, away from Chinese territory, both actual and imagined.

The Type 052D destroyer is often referred to as a “carrier killer” because it is designed to defend against aircraft carriers, submarines, and anti-ship missiles. These ships are expected to be deployed alongside China’s only aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, and any future carrier units.

Each Type 052D Luyang III-class destroyer is equipped with a powerful Type 346A radar system, which gives the Type 052D intelligence gathering capabilities for AA/AD activities, and a dangerous supply of YJ-18 long-range, supersonic anti-ship missiles, which were specifically designed to counter the Aegis system.

According to Deagel.com, the Type 052 Luyang III-class destroyer’s anti-ship missiles travel at Mach 0.8 for 180 kilometers, at which point the warhead separates and a solid rocket engine causes the missile to accelerate to Mach 2.5-3 for 40 kilometers. The missile can maneuver at high speeds to avoid interception by air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles.

This new class of destroyers could easily represent an extension of the Chinese AA/AD strategy in that it has the potential to facilitate the construction of a “blue water” navy with the ability to carry out “far seas defense,” which could be interpreted as the “defense” of territories claimed by and possibly belonging to other countries in the region. The PLA South Sea Fleet commissioned the Yangsha, the fleet’s fourth Type 052D back in July, and another Type 052D participated in the massive live-ammunition drill the PLAN conducted in the East China Sea last week.

As these vessels grow in number, the Type 052D Luyang III-class destroyer could pose a serious challenge for the United States, Asia’s primary security guarantor.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carrier; china; destroyer; usn
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1 posted on 08/11/2016 6:53:06 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki; Jeff Head
Jeff Head tried to alert us to China's ship building frenzy 10 or so years ago ...

And we haggle about what bathroom to use.

We could use some Godly fire and brimstone right about now.

2 posted on 08/11/2016 6:56:12 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true ... and it pisses people off)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’m wondering how the combat power of the Red Fleet compares against that of Japan?


3 posted on 08/11/2016 6:56:15 AM PDT by MSF BU (Support the troops: Join Them.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Kinda reminds me of the rise of the Luftwaffe in the 1930’s.


4 posted on 08/11/2016 7:00:48 AM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Despite what some people claim, the Chinese are likely putting nuclear warheads on the anti-carrier missiles--including those from this new destroyer and the modified DF-21 missile designed specifically for attacking carriers. That's why during the Cold War, the Russians fitted a powerful 350 KT nuclear warhead to their P-5 Pyatyorka (NATO designation SS-N-3 Shaddock) long-range anti-shipping missiles to guarantee a "kill" against US carriers even if the "miss" was as much as half a mile.
5 posted on 08/11/2016 7:01:02 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

This is crazy! Where the heck did China get the money to do this?

;-)


6 posted on 08/11/2016 7:01:45 AM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Is there a bilge pump in every compartment?


7 posted on 08/11/2016 7:02:24 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

China’s Fleet of ‘Carrier Killer’ Destroyers Is Growing>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You mean rich cannon fodder for US nuclear subs?

Bring it.


8 posted on 08/11/2016 7:20:56 AM PDT by Candor7 ( Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Mr. Douglas

Clinton gave them the seed money ...


9 posted on 08/11/2016 7:30:55 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true ... and it pisses people off)
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To: knarf

Every week it seems the wisdom and foresight of Jeff Head is illustrated.

He is a great patriot and I am glad I have read his works.


10 posted on 08/11/2016 7:45:05 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Any idea of how well the Chinese sailors are trained? Are the enlisted allowed to carry out tasks relatively unsupervised, or are they just around to carry out directions from officers?

The Russian and Soviet navy was officer-centric. This often reduces their effectiveness because even simple tasks cannot be accomplished without an officer's oversight. In the heat of battle, this can be a significant disadvantage.

11 posted on 08/11/2016 7:53:09 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: RayChuang88
Define "kill" a carrier?
  1. Sunk outright
  2. Damaged: operationally crippled.
  3. Damaged; out of action and needs extension repairs at shipyard.
  4. Damaged; unable to propel itself Needs tow to dry dock OOA for at least 6 months
  5. Damaged. crew repairs ship, back in action 2 weeks.

So what do you mean by "kill".

12 posted on 08/11/2016 7:56:08 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Lou L

The Soviets also built very few ships per class, with few systems common from class to class. This led to a logistical nightmare for spare parts and sailors assigned to the same ship for their entire career.

The Soviets also had a minimal grasp of damage control.


13 posted on 08/11/2016 8:03:58 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Those are my principles, and if you do not like them...well I have others. - Groucho Marx)
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To: Mr. Douglas

WalMart.


14 posted on 08/11/2016 8:07:17 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Trump IS the revolution)
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To: Mr. Douglas
"Where the heck did China get the money to do this?"

From you, me, and every other American that unknowingly buys products from China at our local stores. What do you think Trump is talking about regarding jobs going overseas?

It's about some businesses moving abroad, but mostly the close to slave labor wages in China while America is stuck with punitive business taxes, onerous regulations, and greedy unions. I can't tell you how often I've tried not to buy Made in China (I check the label), but sometimes it's unavoidable. I'm one of the few who try - most don't look or care.

The best thing I've seen Trump espouse is his economic plan that includes a huge cut in business taxes. I know who creates jobs...I owned 3 different businesses. My main company was put out of business from a huge overseas conglomerate because they came in and undercut our fees for our services. We had to increase the fees to our customers every year just to keep up with the Union increases. The Carlson Group were non-union.

The union that helped put me out of business is at the end of most movies. You've seen the logo with the letters, I.A.T.S.E. You don't see them as much as the Hollywood production companies got wise and shoot many other places nowadays. By closing National Film Service (est. 1947)), the non-union Group killed some thousands of jobs nation wide.

15 posted on 08/11/2016 8:07:31 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic...I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz...nauseous.)
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To: central_va
If it's a nuclear warhead (this is my supposition), then most likely #1 or #2. Even at a CEP of around 1,000 feet, a 30 to 40 KT nuclear warhead would permanently cripple a carrier from the heat and blast effects, as we saw during Operation Crossroads, the first nuclear tests done after World War II.
16 posted on 08/11/2016 8:13:06 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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To: Candor7

A destroyer for a carrier is a pretty good trade.


17 posted on 08/11/2016 8:36:10 AM PDT by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: RayChuang88
Despite what some people claim, the Chinese are likely putting nuclear warheads on the anti-carrier missiles

While I wouldn't want to take on a barrage of nuclear-tipped missiles, we do have some options to shoot those down before they could potentially arm themselves.

Additionally, such a capability speaks to the continual need to maintain our ballistic missile submarine fleets. One nuked carrier = one nuked Chinese city

18 posted on 08/11/2016 8:39:03 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Candor7
Exactly...articles like this are why defense reporting is essentially dead, along with the rest of journalism. This is the media equivalent of what those of us in the intel trade used to call the “10-foot tall Russian.” Every new weapons system was almost inevitably described as a world-beater, something that would guarantee our defeat on the battlefield.

To be fair, some of the stuff built by the Russians and the Chinese is quite good; unlike the U.S., they haven't ignored force modernization and taken a two-decades-long procurement holiday. But any new weapons system must be viewed through the prism of tactics, training and employment.

Case-in point: when I left the spook world a few years back, the Russians and Chinese were flying their latest fighters much like they did with earlier models like the MiG-23, MiG-21 and J-7. Heavily scripted tactics, under near-continuous guidance from ground controllers. Their pilots never experienced anything like the dynamic, free-flowing environment of a Red Flag or similar exercise, and they were largely incapable of deciphering a complex tactical situation and acting autonomously. In other words, their pilots would be at a severe disadvantage against their western counterparts, despite the technical sophistication of fourth-generation fighters like the SU-27 Fencer and its various derivatives.

Same thing with the Chinese Navy. DDGs function as part of larger task forces, incorporating surface, air and submarine elements. China's undersea/ASW capabilitie are improving, but they would struggle against the threat posed by newer Los Angeles-class boats and Virginia-class subs. Likewise, those destroyers may have advanced surface-to-air missiles, but how well would they function against multiple threats, firing anti-ship missiles from various headings, at the same time. Again, it's a matter of how you train and the quality of that training.

One more thought: the Chinese and Russian militaries have long suffered from the lack of a professional NCO corps. Many of the positions we fill with E-4s, E-5s and E-6s are held by junior officers in Russia and China, and most aren't as capable as our mid-level NCOs, let alone our senior NCOs.

19 posted on 08/11/2016 9:06:57 AM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Just curious, but what is to prevent the US from just sending in stealth aircraft to sink these on the first day of a battle? Assuming we can find them of course.


20 posted on 08/11/2016 9:09:39 AM PDT by pb929
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