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Who Will Bail Out Insolvent Union Pension Funds?
Forbes ^ | August 5, 2016 | George Leef

Posted on 08/05/2016 6:19:53 PM PDT by reaganaut1

Bernie Sanders isn’t going to be the next president, but one of the bills he has sponsored, the Keep Our Pension Promises Act (KOPPA)could become law during the next president’s term. That ought to worry anyone who knows that the collectivistic instincts of Bernie Sanders mean spreading the costs of bad policies to the entire population.

Here’s the background.

The Central States Pension Fund (CSPF) of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters has a troubled history going back to its founding in 1955 by long-time Teamsters president Jimmy Hoffa. (Carl Horowitz of the Organized Labor Accountability Project looks into that history in this Capital Research study.) It is a multi-employer pension fund. Some 1,500 companies with Teamster contracts from states mostly but not exclusively in the Midwest pay into the fund, which in turn pays defined pension amounts to a huge number of retirees.

For years, however, the fund has been paying out money at a much faster rate than it comes in. Currently, $3.46 goes out for every $1.00 paid in, and that ratio is certain to worsen. It has less than half of the money needed for financial stability, underfunded by some $18 billion. Projections are that the fund will be insolvent in ten to fifteen years.

At that point, as this CNN Money article notes, 407,000 Teamsters pensioners will find their pensions reduced to “virtually nothing.”

Congress has known about the problem of underfunded pension plans for a long time, but has never been able to resist the urge to meddle in a problem that properly belongs to “the states or the people” under the Tenth Amendment. (I would say that pensions are not a matter for government at any level, but entirely a private concern subject to general common law principles.)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: pensions; sanders; teamsters; unions
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To: reaganaut1

NO BAILOUTS FOR ANY UNION THAT HAS GIVEN
POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS!!!

Period.

Let the members fire the goons!


21 posted on 08/05/2016 7:00:58 PM PDT by Noob1999
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To: reaganaut1

Rich Union Bosses?


22 posted on 08/05/2016 7:09:39 PM PDT by Paladin2 (auto spelchk? BWAhaha2haaa.....I aint't likely fixin' nuttin'. Blame it on the Bossa Nova...)
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To: reaganaut1
Yup, thinking you've got a good smooth ride until it suddenly drops away and you're in the grinder.


23 posted on 08/05/2016 7:28:59 PM PDT by fruser1
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To: reaganaut1

I guess they gave too much money to Democrat politicians.


24 posted on 08/05/2016 7:30:51 PM PDT by Chgogal (A woman who votes for Hillary is voting with her vagina and not her brain.)
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To: Fai Mao
I can see, as much as I don’t like the idea, of merging union pensions into a single Federal program that would (In theory) keep the funds from being used to line the pockets of union fat cats, mob bosses and political activist.

So you are for a federal bailout.

25 posted on 08/05/2016 7:32:37 PM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: reaganaut1

Got a mirror?


26 posted on 08/05/2016 7:32:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Ken H

“So you are for a federal bailout.”

Perhaps but under the condition that:

1. The Unions give up control of the funds to the SS administration; unions can still negotiate the amounts and contributions they just don’t get to watch over the cash. SS is already there so it would not greatly expand the government.

2. Union officials are stripped of the wealth they’ve stolen and that money is placed into the pension funds

3. Union officials go to jail and do hard time for a long time.

4. All states become immediately Right to Work


27 posted on 08/05/2016 7:39:40 PM PDT by Fai Mao
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To: Fai Mao

They’ll never happen.


28 posted on 08/05/2016 7:41:13 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: reaganaut1

This makes me smile——

I had the misfortune to have to join the Teamster’s union when I was working in a job in about 1966.
I can clearly remember how angry I was when out monthly Union Dues were raised by $1 each month to help pay for Hoffa’s attorneys——those scumbags who were being paid to defend him for STEALING the PENSION FUND MONIES in the first place.

It felt like paying for my husband’s divorce lawyer!!!


29 posted on 08/05/2016 8:12:59 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: reaganaut1

The Tenth Amendment most certainly applies here!

Does the Constitution SPECIFICALLY give the government the power to control pensions, or bail them out? If so, then please cite the exact Article and Clause where that power is expressed.

(No, not if any “law” passed by Congress allows it ... they’ve passed hundreds if not thousands of laws that violate Constitutional limits.)

Under the Tenth Amendment, if the Constitution DOES NOT give that power to the feds, then that power belongs to the states or to the people. Period. Full stop.


30 posted on 08/05/2016 8:44:05 PM PDT by DNME (The only solution to a BAD GUY with a gun is a GOOD GUY with a gun.)
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To: Rockingham
Let's re-enact the so-called "Windfall Profits Tax" used against the energy companies, but this time against Silicon Valley.

And by that, I mean the oligarch's fortunes, personally.

I'm sure the Ivy League Lawyers -- threatened that the endowments of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. would be summarily seized by the government otherwise -- can find a way to get around the explicit Constitutional prohibition on "bills of attainder"...just like they ensconced a mere penumbra into the inviolate right of abortion, and eliminated the "Shall not be infringed" part of the 2nd amendment.

31 posted on 08/05/2016 10:06:45 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: reaganaut1

Next recession, another “Stimulus” will fill up their coffers.


32 posted on 08/05/2016 10:08:48 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: grey_whiskers

The tax breaks that Warren Buffett relies on can also be revised or repealed. After all, he has invited “soak the rich” tax policies. He and the other Lefties can be made to go first, not through bills of attainder but by attacking the tax breaks they exploit.


33 posted on 08/05/2016 11:25:30 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: reaganaut1
Bernie Sanders isn’t going to be the next president, but one of the bills he has sponsored, the Keep Our Pension Promises Act (KOPPA)could become law during the next president’s term.

"Our" pension promises?

I think the wife and I will look up a lawyer next week and sign contracts guaranteeing each other $100,000 a year in retirement. (I'm being modest here.) We'll send Bernie the bill.

34 posted on 08/05/2016 11:26:56 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: Rockingham; piasa
Also, expose the fact that the Democrats' union backers have been stealing their members' pension funds for the past seven decades or so, with assistance from crooks like Harry Reid:

Since then Reid has received contributions from various donors connected with the gambling industry, including. . .Ed and Fred Doumani, associated with the Tropicana Hotel, the El Morocco casino, Agosto, and Joey Cusumano, former lieutenant of Chicago Mafia representative Anthony Spilotro; Agosto’s infiltration of the Tropicana was facilitated in 1975 when the Chicago and Kansas City Mafia families conspired to block a Teamsters Central States Pension Fund loan to the Doumanis; when Argent Corporation’s gambling license was revoked in 1979 Argent initially agreed to sell its holdings to the Doumanis; later in 1983 the Doumanis loaned funds to the now-bankrupt Agosto. . .--Kirk Kerkorian, owner at various times of Caesar’s Palace (built with financing from the Teamsters Central States Pension Fund), the Flamingo Hotel (sold in 1970 to the Hilton Hotels Corporation, partly financed in the 1940s by Henry Crown, who also financed Chicago mob associate Jacob Arvey, and later associated with mob lawyer Sidney Korshak), and the MGM Grand Hotel and Casino (built on the heels of Kerkorian’s acquisition of controlling MGM shares from Edgar Bronfman, son of Lansky bootlegging associate Samuel Bronfman; Bronfman’s son Edgar Jr. has also been a Reid contributor). . .

35 posted on 08/06/2016 2:29:45 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fai Mao

Maybe if the Teamsters and other AFofL-CIO unions hadn’t stolen so much money to donate to the DemocRATS, this would not be an issue.


36 posted on 08/06/2016 2:49:41 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

I absolutely agree!

Additionally I’d not have to help my parents because the Teamsters cut my father’s pension

High officials in the unions need to be imprisoned and their assets seized


37 posted on 08/06/2016 2:55:26 AM PDT by Fai Mao
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To: reaganaut1

No bailouts for unfounded Union perks! No more taxpayer bailouts!


38 posted on 08/06/2016 5:35:21 AM PDT by uncitizen (Americanism NOT Globalism! - Trump)
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To: reaganaut1

I have posted this before. Nothing will change until the money runs out.

What caused the money to run out for USSR?


39 posted on 08/06/2016 5:38:41 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: usconservative

“RETIREMENT FAIRNESS ACT.”

Lol, hilarious because there’s some truth in it!


40 posted on 08/06/2016 6:59:33 AM PDT by JPJones ( You can't help the working class by paying the non-working class.)
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