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Migrants and Smugglers Won’t Be Stopped by Donald Trump’s Wall, Ranchers Say
New York Times ^ | July 24, 2016 | DAN BARRY

Posted on 07/24/2016 3:58:58 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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No, a wall or fence alone will not end illegal immigration. But a wall or fence, along with more patrols, and more enforcement in the interior (also against people who overstay visas) will reduce illegal immigration, and drug trafficking.
1 posted on 07/24/2016 3:58:58 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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Buck shot and dogs help


2 posted on 07/24/2016 4:01:02 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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Ask the Israelis if walls work. Even their wall requires ground patrols and electronic monitoring. But, it is definitely effective.


3 posted on 07/24/2016 4:01:22 AM PDT by euram
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ofc, anyone who knows a thing about it knows that there must be sufficient BP personnel in support of any kind of border barrier. But a big tall wall is much easier for personnel to work with than nothing at all, or than some fence that is easily punctured at many many points.


4 posted on 07/24/2016 4:02:39 AM PDT by Enchante (Hillary's new campaign slogan: "Guilty as hell, free as a bird!! Laws are for peasants!")
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“”” Here, in what the Border Patrol categorizes as the Tucson sector — about 90,000 square miles, with 262 miles of border — there were 63,397 arrests in the 2015 fiscal year, compared with 10 times that in the 2001 fiscal year.”””

Is that because they aren’t arresting them?


5 posted on 07/24/2016 4:03:08 AM PDT by raybbr (That progressive bumpers sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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Electrify it.


6 posted on 07/24/2016 4:03:42 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (To restore all things in Christ ~~~~ Appeasing evil is cowardice.)
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NY Times says “Resistance is futile”.


7 posted on 07/24/2016 4:04:33 AM PDT by BeauBo
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Gun control won’t stop criminals from getting firearms, but liberals pursue that goal regardless.

A wall may not stop all migration, but it certainly will help.


8 posted on 07/24/2016 4:05:32 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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A wall of LEAD?


9 posted on 07/24/2016 4:06:26 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (The reason for Gun Control has always been Government's Fear of Rebellion.)
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Razor wire, automated heavy machine guns (used on the N/S Korean boarder), layered mine fields are a plus.


10 posted on 07/24/2016 4:06:33 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Thanks Mister Democrat rancher; but we have to disagree. Ask the Israelis if a wall works.


11 posted on 07/24/2016 4:07:39 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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The wall will be defended:


12 posted on 07/24/2016 4:08:05 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (Globalism = Terrorism)
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Of course walls work. Just look at history. The NYT is a desperate concern troll and this article reads like a poorly written editorial, as usual.

Not having a wall vs. having a wall - hmmm I wonder which will work better to keep the heroin and drug cartels, etc. out of our country ... (DUH)


13 posted on 07/24/2016 4:09:41 AM PDT by stonehouse01
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forgot to add - just look at history - the Berlin wall was rather effective - just ask the Germans.


14 posted on 07/24/2016 4:11:12 AM PDT by stonehouse01
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I have heard that Trump wants a formal declaration of war.

If that is passed, we can then put military units along the border to keep it closed.

We have the means to keep people from crossing our borders without permission, what we lack is the will.


15 posted on 07/24/2016 4:12:55 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (The government is the problem, not the solution.)
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They are right, a fence will not stop all illegals.
But if the wall will not work, I cannot help but wonder why the Yuma, AZ sector, where the wall, mandated by congress over a decade ago is finished has the lowest illegal count along the Arizona border.

I can understand the frustration of these ranchers.
Just a couple of years back a jury in Tuscon awarded millions of dollars to illegals that he had detained for the Border patrol. That rancher lost his ranch.
THAT is the real reason the rancher no longer carries a firearm. My guess is, he figures if he is killed, his family still has the ranch.


16 posted on 07/24/2016 4:15:54 AM PDT by Tupelo (GOPe: Small Tent, lose with dignity branch of the Republican party.)
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Issue Constitutionally authorized Letters of Marque to private citizens to patrol the border.


17 posted on 07/24/2016 4:16:03 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck ( Socialism consumes EVERYTHING!)
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Israels wall has been pretty successful, that should be the model.
18 posted on 07/24/2016 4:16:44 AM PDT by DAC21
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A minor fence will work, IF a declaration is made and enforced that unauthorized border crossers will be considered invaders and shot on sight.


19 posted on 07/24/2016 4:17:31 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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How about Trump's mine fields. Goes double for the Northern boarder as well.
20 posted on 07/24/2016 4:17:52 AM PDT by swisher
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