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'I am German': Munich gunman in furious exchange with bystander
The Guardian ^ | July 23, 2016 | Bonnie Malkin

Posted on 07/23/2016 2:33:45 AM PDT by Enchante

Video has emerged appearing to show the gunman who shot dead at least nine people in Munich involved a furious argument with a witness, shouting “I am German!” and complaining of being bullied.

The shooter, who was found dead with a self-inflicted gunshot wound, was identified by German police as an 18-year-old with dual German and Iranian nationality. He had no criminal record.

In the footage, which was posted on Twitter, an unseen man can be heard shouting abuse at another man, who is clad all in black and pacing on the top floor of an empty car park.

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alisonboly; iran; islamicterror; islamicterrorists; munich; munichmassacre; munichterrorattack; muslimterror; muslimterrorists; sonboly; terror; wot
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To: Chode

These are Bavarian cops. They will get fired by the political folks there if they make up stuff or try to fake out the public. Totally different area of Germany.

Everyone still remembers the Ocktoberfest episode that they screwed up in the 1980s.


121 posted on 07/23/2016 9:46:42 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice
thx... good to hear it
122 posted on 07/23/2016 9:48:19 AM PDT by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience, NOTHING!)
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To: Eternal_Bear

The US has known since the Bin Laden raid in 2011 - from documents recovered from Bin Laden’s lair - that SHIITE Iran is the lynchpin for comnmunications and logistics for SUNNI Al Qaeda. We fool ourselves if we think that Islam is not united against us.

For the first time since the caliphate was disbanded via European colonization and creation of nation states in the early 1900’s, they now have a caliphate (that’s what ISIS is - Islamic State of Iraq and Syria) and leaders calling for jihad on behalf of that caliphate which makes it MANDATORY for every Muslim; it is not time for divisions but time for unity on the part of Islam, and that is what we see.

Having somebody take the bull by the horns and call themselves the caliphate was all it took for Islam to unite. There is no controversy in saying that Obama was raised Muslim; it is acknowledged by him. That means that he KNEW that. And his regime knowingly - and against the counsel of the intelligence and military leaders - deliberately stirred up, trained, armed, and funded the “opposition” to Bashar Assad which they KNEW would be a fundamentalist Islamist group calling for jihad. This was after Obama had left the US border open for jihadists to enter, and there was no reason for these Islamist leaders to believe it was NOT the right time to take over the world. All they had to do was declare themselves a caliphate. And that is what they did.

After they did it, Obama - against the intel and military advice based on evidence - poo-poohed ISIS, even though he knew EXACTLY how serious the creation of a caliphate truly is, as a Muslim (former Muslim, if you object to him being called a current Muslim, though the Egyptian ambassador in 2010 said Obama privately told him he was and still is a Muslim who supports the MUSLIM agenda - that’s Muslim, as in SUNNI AND SHIITE).

There are many, many good reasons to believe that Obama was illegally placed into our White House by a communist-Islamist coup (primarily through threats to critical US officials, made possible by economic jihad planned in 2006-2007 at the height of the Iraq war protests and executed in 2008), and that he was put there in order to enable the worldwide jihad in support of the worldwide caliphate that the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD (whose members include Huma Abedin’s parents, Obama’s half-brother, and a TON of people in powerful positions in the Obama regime...) has been proclaiming as the only true form of Islam.

To summarize, no Muslim needs to have a physical connection to ISIS because as the Muslim Brotherhood preaches, they ALL have a “spiritual” connection. The Quran COMMANDS every Muslim to exercise jihad when there is a caliphate calling for that jihad. And we have that in ISIS, which Obama (the foreign enemy combatant who illegally took office through an Islamist coup using economic jihad) used his usurped position to create, at his own bidding against the whole system that would have stopped him.

To those who are interested in Scripture, Revelation talks about a beast coming out of the sea; one of the heads of this beast seemed to have recovered from a fatal wound. I have wondered what that could mean. This beast is given great power all over the world by the dragon, which is clearly stated as being Satan. When I learned from a former Muslim that the early 1900’s was the only time there has NOT been a caliphate, that the Muslim Brotherhood was created shortly after that to revert Islam back to the jihadist, sharia, worldwide caliphate demands of the Quran, and that ISIS is the first caliphate since the Muslim Brotherhood has revived worldwide Islam to the commands of the Quran... it occurred to me that Islam is this beast which seemed to have recovered from a fatal wound. Later on, another beast rises in support of this beast and forces everyone to worship the first beast AND to accept a mark of the beast in able to be able to buy and sell. The beast’s number is 666, which I’ve read is the symbol for the Quran (Some Muslim in OK? had 666 for his license plate, saying it was the symbol for the Quran). The Muslim Brotherhood is behind Sharia-compliant finance, and Soverign Wealth Funds on the part of Islamist nations is what powered the economic jihad in 2008 that put Obama into the White House. When push comes to shove, Islam will wield power over the entire world because of the money they control. And Islamic finance is a way to enslave free peoples.

If a person understands what the Muslim world has been doing while the free peoples have been worshipping mammon/money, a chilling image emerges. The crash-and-burn of Babylon the whore is lamented by the peoples of the world who had been drunk with the wine of her adulteries. It is a financial crash-and-burn that rocks the whole world.

It is money that will eventually be used by Satan to destroy faith and enslave the world. The world’s wealth is in the hands of a few families, and they control a LARGE part of the world because people need jobs and want luxuries and/or financial security. If I understand correctly, those families are behind the political correctness and are allied with Islamists, who also have a lot of money and the willingness/command to use it to enslave the world under sharia.

Obama very much wants us to think these are not serious times, but Trump has it right. And there’s this even more ominous Biblical storm brewing that Trump may not even have mentioned, but Christians should be aware of what is ahead.


123 posted on 07/23/2016 10:00:34 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Steve_Seattle

Agreed! Unfortunately, Shrimp Smith is not merely a reporter but is in charge of all breaking news reporting at Fox News (according to what I’ve read). He gets paid $5+ million per year to do this execrable job. Biggest blunder Roger Ailes ever made......

Maybe in the transition out of the Ailes era someone at Fox News can be persuaded to finally dump this Shep clown in favor of someone honest and competent.


124 posted on 07/23/2016 10:09:06 AM PDT by Enchante (Hillary's new campaign slogan: "Guilty as hell, free as a bird!! Laws are for peasants!")
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To: Enchante

Yeah, “reporter” was not the right term for Smith. As you say, he’s their in-studio “anchor” for mid-day breaking news. And when your anchor is full of hot air, the shift drifts.


125 posted on 07/23/2016 10:32:25 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: ScaniaBoy

It’s McDonalds.


126 posted on 07/23/2016 10:36:43 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: Chickensoup

Your #9 is perfect.


127 posted on 07/23/2016 11:36:43 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (PS - Vote Trump. Vote Coal.)
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To: pepsionice
"Third, the Muslim gimmick will fall into play, but this was a kid with no real future and a perfect candidate for their jihad-loser game.

The thing is, if you think about this as a German....there must be several thousand of these male teens of a Islamic nature who are naturally-developed losers. So, what exactly is going to prevent other massacres? No one can answer that question."

Fourth - and how did you miss this - it's a lead-pipe cinch the terrorist's parents are devout Iranian Shia Muslims, followers of the entire Ayatollah sect.

Sooooo, let's recap:

Radical. Islamic. Terrorism.

128 posted on 07/23/2016 11:52:17 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (PS - Vote Trump. Vote Coal.)
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To: pepsionice
Third, the Muslim gimmick will fall into play, but this was a kid with no real future and a perfect candidate for their jihad-loser game.

I agree with your assessment. Many young men grow up feeling lost and hopeless. Unable to socialize and to interact well with others. If you have the misfortune of coming from an Islamic background, you are offered an express ticket to Nirvana (and the awaiting 72 virgins) by murdering a bunch of kafirs while shouting 'Alluh Ackbar'. The religion tailored made for maladjusted, and perhaps mentally ill, young men.

Of course growing up in an atheistic and nilhistic environment can also spur similar actions to 'make a name for one's self' while they end it all, but Islam is unique in that it extends the lying carrot to these troubled men, and instigates many more of these murderous actions.

129 posted on 07/23/2016 11:56:22 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Enchante

Post #2 shouldn’t have been deleted. It’s part of ‘the record’.


130 posted on 07/23/2016 12:05:18 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: alloysteel
"Shi’ite Iranians support spreading terrorism on a scale fully comparable with that of ISIS. They just have not ramped up the wider application of the means of delivering such degree of terrorism.

All those Turks that Germany was freely importing in the 1950’s and 1960’s and 1970’s are now firmly established, and back when the Shah still sat on the Peacock Throne in Iran, there was a lot of Iranian-German interchange. The seeds of this discord were planted long ago, and now Germany reaps the whirlwind."

Yes exactly. This whole thread attempting to dissect Shia v Sunni is pathos incarnate. As if he's not ISIS then it doesn't count as terrorism.

This loon sat in a Muzzieslum, ate dirt most of his life (as ordained), finally Muzzie frenzied past the point of denial, the shouted Admiral Snackbar the universal motto of the vulgarians...

Radical. Islamic. Terrorism.

131 posted on 07/23/2016 12:29:37 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (PS - Vote Trump. Vote Coal.)
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To: Koracan
"he sums up in those few Answers the whole dilemma the West EU is in, for the last few decades."

I fixed that for ya. No dilemma here. They can get three in the hat or a robot boom, guaranteed.

132 posted on 07/23/2016 12:32:54 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (PS - Vote Trump. Vote Coal.)
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To: Enchante

He’s Iranian, 20 to 1 odds he’s Shiite.

He was picked on by Turks. Who’s more arrogant, Turk’s or Persian’s...? That probably depends on the respective numbers present. They both think their hairy wives don’t stink.

Germany is supplying a lot of small arms to Sunni rebel in Syria.

Assad is Alewite, which is a Shiite sect. Iran is supporting Assad and has units fighting there.

Islamist Turks have a lot to brag about likely and they ARE fighting a proxy war with Iran.

Possible motive, aside from regular old Muslim blood lust.


133 posted on 07/23/2016 1:35:41 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Steve_Seattle
"This is all based on a search of his apartment. So far, the only thing suggesting a religious motivation is the report by one witness that the shooter shouted "Allahu Akbar" at the McDonald's."

"Of course, after the Nice massacre, authorities initially tried to present it as a spontaneous act by a non-religious loner; now, they have found evidence of long-term planning and have arrested several apparent accomplices."

Are well not all fully aware that ISIS issued orders/fatfart/whatever in order to engage the Crusader, all you have to do is Admiral Snackbar in the engagement?

134 posted on 07/23/2016 1:38:54 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (PS - Vote Trump. Vote Coal.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Yeah, sounds like it. But, as you say, they may be trying to quash the real motivation. It’s also possible that he set out to do this because he felt bullied and then threw in the muzzard cry.

Poor Shep probably cried until his mascara was all down his face when he found out it was not a right-wing ethnic German. So glad I stopped watching Faux News.


135 posted on 07/23/2016 3:57:46 PM PDT by Bigg Red (You're on fire, stupid!)
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To: Bigg Red

Yeah I’m leaning in this direction as well. His bullying coming from ethnic Turks who were German citizens for example and he didn’t fit it as a “real German”. So his yelling “I am German” etc. The arabic Allahu Akhbar shouting is simply part of the mix of his heritage. The indiscriminate shooting starting at an American icon of fast food McDonalds has to figure in somewhere in some negative perceptions of the US as blurred as they might be.

Ultimately he is shooting presumably in his mind and getting back at native Germans, whoever they might be.

Now to Sheppy’s cluster%^$k comments. The guy just can’t help himself.


136 posted on 07/23/2016 7:49:15 PM PDT by Lent
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To: MHGinTN

No.


137 posted on 07/23/2016 11:05:09 PM PDT by odds
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To: Bigg Red

Yep. I thought there were similarities. But Sonboly wasn’t a rightwing extremist like behring. Somewhat mirrored him but unlike Behring wasn’t espousing any particular ideology.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/munich-shooting-german-iranian-gunman-targeted-children-outside/


138 posted on 07/23/2016 11:16:39 PM PDT by odds
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To: odds

Something I read said that he seemed to be very interested in learning about other mass killings, particularly the Columbine shootings.

I most certainly do not have any sort of knowledge in such matters, but I suspect that he was just seething for a number of years, enduring some real insults but mostly merely perceived insults, and planning some sort of way to go out in what he perceived as a blaze of glory. Tacking on the disgusting “allah is great” was just a stylistic flourish.


139 posted on 07/24/2016 7:09:38 AM PDT by Bigg Red (You're on fire, stupid!)
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To: Bigg Red

“Tacking on the disgusting “allah is great” was just a stylistic flourish.”

I tend to agree with this and your other points.

Getting ready for work. Will read your other ping later. Thanks.


140 posted on 07/24/2016 1:41:19 PM PDT by odds
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