Posted on 07/18/2016 9:20:48 AM PDT by catnipman
[The REAL headline:]
Schools left out on construction funding, dollars FAR LESS less than many expected
In some circles, it's the windfall that wasn't.
it has not been the cash cow thousands of Coloradans had expected.
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“There are no marijuana addicts, because marijuana is not addictive.”
Of course it isn’t. They can quit any time they want.
I’m not sure how everything is tipped upside down.
I’m just not seeing it.
If anything tips everything upside down, it’s Hillary Clinton not being charged with espionage.
That tips our entire society on its head.
Somebody smoking some weed? Not so much.
Aren’t abortion laws thrown out by federal judges?
Correct.
Coloradans can grow up to six plants. That’ll keep anybody supplied, legally.
If I was completely clueless, I would believe that marijuana is not addictive.
But I’ve seen it and it was real. I even saw the withdrawal. It was as real as nicotine withdrawal which I have experienced.
My BIL smokes weed all day. He cannot function without it. He says he must have it to get through the day. He seems to be perfectly coherent but he needs it constantly.
Oh please.
Describe weed withdrawal for me. I would love to know the symptoms.
Would you like me to describe Xanax withdrawal to you? I had every one of the listed symptoms except for death, which is also listed. God saved me from that one.
As far as nicotine withdrawal goes, another laugh.
I quit smoking cigs after 10 years of smoking finishing at 2 packs per day while I was awake.
It took me 3 days to quit and one pack of nicotine gum, which was so expensive that i couldn’t afford more than one pack, so I had one shot at succeeding, and I did.
But I think it’s interesting to note, that at the time I was a pot smoker as well, so in order to help me quit cigs, I rolled up a bunch of joints and put them in a cigarette pack and pretended that they were Marlboros.
That helped, not going to lie.
I’m not sure who BIL is, but yes he can function without it. Easily. He just doesn’t want to.
Before you can quit something, you have to want to quit that something. You have to want something better, and then strive to achieve that goal for yourself.
Just like I wanted to quit cigs. I was so tired of smoking 40 cigarettes in 16 hours. Let me tell you how much that sucks. I hated smoking them, I hated standing in line having to buy them, I hated spending money on them, and I hated being a slave to them.
So I left them.
Simple as that.
I call BS.
Addiction can be physical or psychological or a combination thereof.
My good friend was diagnosed with COPD. He has been a pot smoker for 30 years. Hard to tell how much he smoked, since he did bongs and joints, but he was just about always baked.
Even after being put on oxygen, he still would try to sneak joints and bong hits. His roommates, fearing he would cause a fire or explosion from the oxygen, had to resort to hiding all of the lighters and making sure someone was around just about 24/7 to stop him from lighting up.
Once he realized he wasn't going to be able to smoke anymore, he became obsessed with enhanced baked goods.
Sure sounds like addictive behavior to me...
It’s not.
He just wanted to be high. For whatever reason, he prefers that state of mind to his normal state of mind.
It doesn’t have a single thing to do with a addiction, he is making a conscious choice, and at anytime he could consciously choose to do otherwise, but he doesn’t.
When you are actually addicted to a substance, you have no choice. You either get your dose, or you are going to die, and it will not be an easy death.
That is what actual addiction is. That is when you are a slave.
You get your dose, or you die.
It matters more than food. It matters more than water. It doesn’t matter more than inhaling oxygen, but I guarantee you that the addict is thinking about his dose more than he is thinking about oxygen.
Just because someone is doing stupid things like trying to smoke through oxygen tubes does not mean he is addicted.
It just means he is behaving stupidly.
The question I would ask him is why is it so important to run from a sober state of mind?
What is it that occurs in his sober mind that he is trying to hide from by being stoned?
It's not the legitimate USE of the substance some of us object to; it's the ABUSE under the guise of legitimate use. That abuse includes toking themselves into unemployability, having their use declared a disease and collecting disability or other benefits that all of US have to pay for.
The withdrawal seems to be the same as nicotine, which I have experienced. I quit smoking after 10 years. Cold turkey, no aids. I know what it was like.
They were my roommates so I got to be a spectator to it. Neither intended to quit. The supply just dried up.
You may not believe it but you can’t refute it because you weren’t there.
Headache.
Nausea.
Constipation or diarrhea.
Fatigue, drowsiness, and insomnia.
Irritability.
Difficulty concentrating.
Anxiety.
Depressed mood.
Generally, just a stressed person.
I think that there are some who object to its legitimate use as well, saying that such is just a foot in the door to legalizing it.
Smoking MJ is not a disease. Doing so should not make one eligible for disability or other benefits.
It is clearly a choice, just as not quitting smoking MJ is a choice.
Personally, I believe that weed should be legal for adults to smoke. If alcohol is legal for adults, then there is no reason for MJ to be illegal, because alcohol is a far more dangerous substance.
I do not believe that if a person chooses to smoke weed, that such a person should be thrown in jail. I do believe that a person who chooses to smoke weed and then injures another as a result, such as in a car accident, should be thrown in jail, just as the drunk driver is.
I do not view weed or weed smokers as a society ending factor. People have smoked weed for a long time, and society continues. Law doesn’t make any difference. People will continue to do this regardless of the law.
I do not smoke any longer.
From my experience with long term sobriety now, I have found that I prefer a sober state of mind greatly. I like being clear headed and focused on normal things that normal people focus on.
This was not the case earlier in my life though. Something was different then. More chaotic, so it led to some poor choices made by me sadly.
About 2 years ago, a good buddy of mine brought over the last bit of high grade weed he had. He was quitting too, but he knew that me being a former weed fiend, I woulda likely want to smoke it, and of course he was right.
So I did smoke it, and man, let me tell you, after being sober for so long, when you drop back in on that stuff, especially the potent variety, it is just way more than I can handle.
Back in the day, no problem, but with no tolerance too it, I found that I didn’t like it at all. I couldn’t wait for the buzz to wear off so I could return to normalcy.
It’s just not the same as it used to be. I am not the same as I used to be.
Seems like that stuff is in the past for me now, and that makes me happy.
But all others in this world are not in the same spot on the trail as me, and I don’t want to throw them in jail as a result.
People find the strength they need to move beyond when they find it, and not a minute before.
That how I see these things at least.
“Irritability.
Difficulty concentrating.
Anxiety.
Depressed mood.
Generally, just a stressed person.”
I believe these. The other physical symptoms you listed, not so much. Maybe they happened as a result of the quitting, or maybe just coincidence, but either way they are extremely minor.
As I said in some of my other posts, a true addiction to a truly addictive substance means that you either feed your addiction, or you die. I mean literally die, leave this earth dead.
Alcohol can cause such an addiction, so can a number of other hard rugs and pills.
My addiction was to Xanax, and let me tell you quitting that drug cold turkey should never be attempted by anyone, especially if you have a considerable addiction as I did.
I was awake for three months straight. Not one second of sleep did I get that entire time. That alone can result in death, and that was the least of the withdrawal symptoms that I endured.
Personally, I think the term “psychological addiction” is just an excuse created for those who do not have the will power to do what must be done. It purpose is to make them feel okay about not having a degree of self control, so they blame it on an addiction that does not actually exist, they just think it does.
It's not. There is no withdrawal from pot.
You are describing a physical addiction.
Marijuana causes a strong psychological addiction.
One of the signs of a psychological addiction is denying that there is an addiction while the behavior manifestly suggests otherwise.
You know...the person that drinks 6 cans of coke a day, but says that they don’t have a problem, they can quit whenever.
I have also found that many addicts will argue with you that whatever they are addicted to isn’t addictive. Ah-hem.
I’ve noticed that people who don’t know anything about a
subject speak as if they’re the world’s leading expert. lol
Is that what you think of them?
Yet alcoholism is called a disease, when it is a BEHAVIOR. If you learn you can't handle it, don't CHOOSE to use it. But that sets a precedent for any other behaviorally caused problems, pot included.
“Personally, I think the term “psychological addiction” is just an excuse created for those who do not have the will power to do what must be done. It purpose is to make them feel okay about not having a degree of self control, so they blame it on an addiction that does not actually exist, they just think it does.”
Here, this goes for you too.
Just because a term exists doesn’t mean its valid or has any actual meaning.
It’s an excuse for weak people, and nothing more.
And I do not smoke MJ, or do any other drug anymore. Ah-hem.
And I was never addicted to MJ, and neither was anyone else, because MJ is not addictive.
Is that what I think of who?
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