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To: BroJoeK; rockrr; x; rustbucket; PeaRidge; DiogenesLamp
The only question here is: who do we blame? Do we blame "Ape" Lincoln and his "Black Republicans" or somebody else?

I blame somebody else, of course, and that somebody is mainly Progressive President Woodrow Wilson...

Well, I can see Beck has had your ear in the recent past.

Try defining with specificity "blame"...

Lincoln, like Wilson answered to and wound up enforcing the will of the economic elite. 600,000 lives worth (NOT including the maimed, the widowed, the orphaned, and the economic disastrous effect upon the South for 100 years.) But hey, no problem -- carpet-bagging lincoln-supporting Northerners swept into the South while the bodies were still warm and widows cryng and bought it up for Zimbabwe pennies on the dollar.

Btw, your "ape" comment is uncalled for and incendiary. But I guess that just your clumsy, un-clever way of implying those who opposed Lincoln's tyranny and monumental feral overreach disliked blacks and supported slavery.

Though I will reluctantly admit the "progressive spirit" had infected both parties in those days, beginning with Teddy Roosevelt.

Well gee -- that's mighty bourgeoisie of you. Are you sure you want that kind of secret leaking out to Buffy and Skippy? At least Teddy fought institutional corruption.

Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, LBJ, and 0blah-blah are ALL kindred political spirits.

Anyway, I'm here to defend Lincoln and basic Republican ideals against charges that they share paternity over some of today's governmental monstrosities.

You can defend the indefensible all you want.

Today we are still paying for the tyranny, social, and economic aftermath of Lincoln's template of dictatorship and feral overreach, fake reasons for the CW, and subsequent routine shredding of the USCON by Wilson, FDR, LBJ, 0blah-blah, and yes, Dubya Bush.

540 posted on 07/12/2016 8:00:23 AM PDT by HangUpNow
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To: HangUpNow
Well gee -- that's mighty bourgeoisie of you. Are you sure you want that kind of secret leaking out to Buffy and Skippy? At least Teddy fought institutional corruption.

That is another extremely relevant point. Yes, Teddy Roosevelt is known for interfering with the Crony Capitalism that had been going on since.... well.... since Lincoln.

The Robber Barons seemed to think they could influence the government in whatever way suited them. Rockefeller tried to negotiate through the back door with Teddy Roosevelt by sending "my man to negotiate with your man" but Teddy wasn't having any of it.

Post Civil War America was rampant with abuse by New England Robber Barons. The coal strikes and Unionization occurring in West Virginia was the consequence of the price monopoly that New York captains of industry had imposed on the Coal industry.

Again, where did they get such power? Why did it so heavily manifest itself after the Civil War?

Because the Civil War was where it began.

Today we are still paying for the tyranny, social, and economic aftermath of Lincoln's template of dictatorship and feral overreach, fake reasons for the CW, and subsequent routine shredding of the USCON by Wilson, FDR, LBJ, 0blah-blah, and yes, Dubya Bush.

And this is a point many people do not grasp when the topic of the "Civil War" comes up. We are still suffering from the long term consequences of that conflict to this very day.

Washington and New York still have an unholy alliance that pits the financial interests of the New England power brokers against the rest of the nation. This movement towards "Globalization" is an example of it.

547 posted on 07/12/2016 9:37:00 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: HangUpNow; DiogenesLamp; x; rockrr
HangUpNow: "Well, I can see Beck has had your ear in the recent past."

Ha! No, I only assume Beck reads my posts, and that's where he got the idea! ;-)

HangUpNow: "Lincoln, like Wilson answered to and wound up enforcing the will of the economic elite. 600,000 lives worth "

So, like DiogenesLamp, you are a secret Marxist railing against "the rich" or "the 1%" or "economic elites" while posing as a conservative defender of the Confederacy?

In fact Wilson was Virginia born, son of a slave-holder and was a young boy during the Civil War, when he met General Lee, and saw Union troops marching through South Carolina.
So Wilson's First World War plan for "peace without victory" over Germany doubtless reflects the terms he wished the South had received.
Wilson's political progressivism reflected his times (and ours to a degree): both racist and statist.

Lincoln was a different man of a different era.

HangUpNow: "600,000 lives worth (NOT including the maimed, the widowed, the orphaned, and the economic disastrous effect upon the South for 100 years.)"

All those lives & injuries should properly be blamed on those secessionists who first started the war, then refused to surrender until forced into "unconditional surrender", when much better term for the South could have been negotiated at earlier points of the war.

HangUpNow: "Btw, your "ape" comment is uncalled for and incendiary. "

But I only took it from one of your fellow pro-Confederate posters.
"Ape Lincoln" was used by secessionists during Civil War along with "Black Republicans" to describe how secessionists felt about them.
So why would you object to something they believed appropriate?

HangUpNow: "But I guess that just your clumsy, un-clever way of implying those who opposed Lincoln's tyranny and monumental feral overreach disliked blacks and supported slavery."

No, slave-holder secessionists often loved their black slaves, as DNA studies today prove, but only as slaves, not as freed-men or women.

HangUpNow: "Well gee -- that's mighty bourgeoisie of you."

And there you go with that Marxist-talk again!
So you really are a Democrat poser, false-flagger pretending to be jess ordinary Southern conservative folk.
So why not just tell us the truth about who you are and why you come here spreading Marxism?

HangUpNow: "Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, LBJ, and 0blah-blah are ALL kindred political spirits."

No, Lincoln was the Republican, a genuine conservative attacked by Democrats who started & prosecuted Civil War until they had no poor white men left to fight with.

HangUpNow: "Today we are still paying for the tyranny, social, and economic aftermath of... "

...of Democrats starting, declaring and prosecuting war against conservative constitutional values, as they continue doing to this very day.

629 posted on 07/17/2016 7:18:50 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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