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House drops Confederate Flag ban for veterans cemeteries
politico.com ^ | 6/23/16 | Matthew Nussbaum

Posted on 06/23/2016 2:04:08 PM PDT by ColdOne

A measure to bar confederate flags from cemeteries run by the Department of Veterans Affairs was removed from legislation passed by the House early Thursday.

The flag ban was added to the VA funding bill in May by a vote of 265-159, with most Republicans voting against the ban. But Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) both supported the measure. Ryan was commended for allowing a vote on the controversial measure, but has since limited what amendments can be offered on the floor.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 114th; confederateflag; dixie; dixieflag; nevermind; va
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To: DiogenesLamp

Christ the way you Rebs spin history. The South wanted to preserve an economic system based on the use of slave labor and went to war to make sure it stayed that way. And they lost. Get over it bozo.


41 posted on 06/24/2016 1:26:36 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The f**king war is over for Christ sake and you’re side lost. Get over it!


42 posted on 06/24/2016 1:28:33 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: jmacusa
Christ the way you Rebs spin history. The South wanted to preserve an economic system based on the use of slave labor and went to war to make sure it stayed that way. And they lost. Get over it bozo.

Nope. That's a lie. The North went to war with the South because an Independent South would have destroyed the Northern Economy. Lincoln was primarily backed by big monied donors from New York. He launched that war to protect their money stream.

It was the Union that wanted to preserve the monetary system based on slavery. They were completely tolerant of slavery so long as they reaped the profits from it.

You've been conned. Wake up and smell the graft.

43 posted on 06/24/2016 1:30:50 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Pelham; rustbucket
I'm asking a few people knowledgeable about the civil war if they have the text of the law precluding foreign ships from carrying cargo between US ports.

Someone with whom I am currently arguing, claims that foreign ships could unload cargo in New York, and then unload the remainder of their cargo in Charleston.

I do not think this is accurate, but does anyone know for sure?

44 posted on 06/24/2016 1:46:05 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Hey Reb if you were living in 1861 south of the Mason-Dixon Line would you have joined up? I know if I were North of it I would have.


45 posted on 06/24/2016 1:46:24 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
On July 4, 1789, a tariff law was the first substantive legislation passed by the new American government. But in addition to the new duties, it reduced by 10 percent or more the tariff paid for goods arriving only in American craft.

It also required domestic construction for American ship registry. Navigation acts in the same decade stipulated that foreign-built and foreign-owned vessels were taxed 50 cents per ton when entering U.S. ports, while U.S.-built and -owned ones paid only six cents per ton. Furthermore, the U.S. ones paid annually, while foreign ones paid upon every entry.

This effectively blocked off U.S. coastal trade to all but vessels built and owned in the United States.

The navigation act of 1817 made it official, providing “that no goods, wares, or merchandise shall be imported under penalty of forfeiture thereof, from one port in the United States to another port in the United States, in a vessel belonging wholly or in part to a subject of any foreign power.”

The point of all this was to protect and grow the shipping industry of New England, and it worked. By 1795, the combination of foreign complication and American protection put 92 percent of all imports and 86 percent of all exports in American-flag vessels. American ship owners’ annual earnings shot up between 1790 and 1807, from $5.9 million to $42.1 million.

46 posted on 06/24/2016 2:07:54 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: DiogenesLamp
In the early days after the invention of the cotton gin, the American South had controlled its own cotton industry. Southern cotton was shipped directly from southern ports by its owners to the textile mills of England.

During the three decade period before 1860, a combination of factors enabled the cotton trade to become dominated by the North.  First, the Navigation Acts authored by Congress at the turn of the century had established protectionist laws favoring American shipping over foreign interests.

The exporting South was required by law to either use American owned, Northern ships, for their shipping, or pay to the Treasury compensation for their use of foreign ships.  Foreign ships were prohibited by law from engaging in coastal trade between US harbors.

The laws also discouraged the Southern businessmen from becoming involved in the shipping business by prohibiting the purchasing of finished ships from overseas.

Therefore, Northern shipping companies, with the aid of Federal laws,came to dominate the carrying trade of the South.

As the trade in cotton increased, northern and particularly New York traders saw their opportunity and began sending agents south to purchase all the cotton they could, and ship it themselves by packet ships to England and Europe.

This direct purchase of cotton by the “factors” enabled the Southerngrowers to quickly turn a profit instead of waiting months for the cotton to besold, and the money to return to them.

This benefit also cut their profits.

The plantation owners that could retain ownership and ship independently found themselves in a bind. If they wanted to ship their own cotton to market, the packet ship owner would charge them very high rates that were slightly under the rate of the foreign ship rate, plus the Federal shipping penalty that would be added.

47 posted on 06/24/2016 2:12:34 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: HiTech RedNeck

So, you wanting citation was a canard.


48 posted on 06/24/2016 2:19:05 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: PeaRidge
Thanks for that. That is indeed the information I wanted?

I found the source material for it.

The point of all this was to protect and grow the shipping industry of New England, and it worked. By 1795, the combination of foreign complication and American protection put 92 percent of all imports and 86 percent of all exports in American-flag vessels. American ship owners’ annual earnings shot up between 1790 and 1807, from $5.9 million to $42.1 million.

And of course most American Flagged vessels came from, and were operated out of New England.

49 posted on 06/24/2016 2:29:35 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jmacusa
"What flag was raised on Mt. Surabachi on Feb. 19, 1945?"


50 posted on 06/24/2016 2:41:23 PM PDT by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: PeaRidge
Therefore, Northern shipping companies, with the aid of Federal laws,came to dominate the carrying trade of the South.

So basically the same thing New York and Washington are doing now?

51 posted on 06/24/2016 2:41:46 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jmacusa

52 posted on 06/24/2016 2:47:11 PM PDT by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: Godebert

Please, if you’re going to be ignorant at least do it in private. What flag is being raised on Mt. Surabachi?


53 posted on 06/24/2016 4:04:00 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: Godebert

Son, you’re too stupid to be an idiot.


54 posted on 06/24/2016 4:04:38 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: jmacusa

Great Britain just pulled out of the EUnion. Wonder how soon EUrope will invade to bring them back into line.


55 posted on 06/24/2016 4:21:54 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: jmacusa

I got my call “Greetings from the President of the United States” back in 1966. I went. Obviously the citizens of New York City did not in 1863.


56 posted on 06/24/2016 4:28:24 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

And so what are you saying? Is your sub text here that we should go bail them out again? If by Europe you mean Germany and France and Italy get real. Their armies couldn’t stop a school cafeteria food fight and their people have no stomach for a war. F ‘em. let deal with their own troubles.


57 posted on 06/24/2016 4:28:39 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Dude, despite the draft riots do some research on the new York regiments who fought for the Union Army, notably the Irish. And are you going to tell me there weren’t Southerners who avoided serving for ‘’The Cause’’? John Wilkes Booth didn’t serve.


58 posted on 06/24/2016 4:37:59 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: jmacusa

It was a joke, you stupid little blue-bellied obot yankee dink.


59 posted on 06/24/2016 4:38:37 PM PDT by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: DiogenesLamp; PeaRidge

Looks like PeaRidge has answered your question.


60 posted on 06/24/2016 4:39:20 PM PDT by rustbucket
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