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How Do You Stop a Future Terrorist When the Only Evidence Is a Thought?
New York Times ^ | June 21, 2016 | RUKMINI CALLIMACHI

Posted on 06/23/2016 6:25:19 AM PDT by reaganaut1

MAGNANVILLE, France — The first time Larossi Abballa appeared on the radar of French terrorism investigators, the only act of violence they could pin on him was killing bunnies.

He had joined a small group of men, all bent on waging jihad, on a trip to a snowy forest in northern France five years ago, when he was 19. There, they videotaped themselves slaughtering the rabbits, bought so the men could grow used to the feel of killing.

When he and seven others were later arrested, the authorities found that several of the men had saved the video of the slaughter on their cellphones, alongside footage of soldiers being beheaded, according to French court records. Mr. Abballa was eventually convicted on a terrorism charge and spent more than two years in prison.

In hindsight, it is not hard to see how that first act of brutality foreshadowed what happened last week: Armed with a knife, Mr. Abballa attacked a couple in northern France in the name of the Islamic State and left them to bleed to death.

But at the time of his arrest in 2011, investigators were not able to definitively show that he was a permanent threat to France. After his prison stint, he was placed under surveillance. Just months after the wiretaps stopped, he committed the double murder last week.

Across Europe and the United States, law enforcement officials are struggling to reckon with attackers like Mr. Abballa and Omar Mateen, whose shooting rampage this month at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Fla., left 49 dead. They are men who clearly seemed to be building toward violent acts, and whose names had surfaced in terrorism investigations, but who avoided crossing legal lines that could tip off the authorities until it was too late.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; jihad; muslims; terrorism
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If you let fewer Muslims into your country you will have fewer potential terrorists you need to track.
1 posted on 06/23/2016 6:25:19 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

deport him


2 posted on 06/23/2016 6:27:00 AM PDT by GregoTX
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To: reaganaut1
Yes, the only sure way is to deport ALL muslims and ban any from entering the country permanently.

Let them stay in all the crapistans around the world.

3 posted on 06/23/2016 6:27:36 AM PDT by PROCON (Americans First or Terrorists First - Choose in November)
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To: reaganaut1

You don’t let them into your country until their track record of the last hundred years proves them to have changed their behavior.


4 posted on 06/23/2016 6:28:31 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: reaganaut1

Islam is incompatible with our way of life and governing. All muslims are taught to hate us, lie to us and harm or kill us.

I don’t invite people into my home who wish me harm and I don’t want my gov’t to invite them into out country.

Ban them all.


5 posted on 06/23/2016 6:28:41 AM PDT by umgud (ban muslims, not guns)
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To: reaganaut1

Answer to the NYT: By keeping people who think that way out of the freaking country you freaks!


6 posted on 06/23/2016 6:30:17 AM PDT by winner3000
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To: reaganaut1

Sets a precedent to place us under surveillance for our thoughts of abolishing this regime and restoring a constitutional government.

But WE belong here. They don’t.


7 posted on 06/23/2016 6:31:12 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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Israel

Everyone carries, most openly, required by many.

You start something 50 rounds from 20 directions are smashing through your skull in seconds.


8 posted on 06/23/2016 6:32:23 AM PDT by USCG SimTech
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To: winner3000

This just brings up my idea that eventually all of the terrorists here in the U.S. will gravitate to the cities...i.e. where all of the liberals are. It will be interesting to see them stick up for the people that are killing them off slowly...kind of like the AG.


9 posted on 06/23/2016 6:33:41 AM PDT by gr8eman (Don't waste your energy trying to understand commies. Use it to defeat them!)
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To: reaganaut1
Does Japan have these kinds of problems?


10 posted on 06/23/2016 6:34:33 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: reaganaut1

I asked this very same question to a left leaning acquaintance yesterday. The answer is fairly obvious, and has already been said on this thread several times, but he just couldn’t bring himself to say it. PC kills.


11 posted on 06/23/2016 6:34:34 AM PDT by day10 (You'll get nothing and like it!)
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Gee I don't know? Maybe Boeing can explain a good reason to let the monsters in? Like maybe fifty billion answers?

Maybe Choban Yogurt can supply a free kiddie rape kit cup inside each six pack of yogurt they sell?

Maybe the commission cut for Valerie Jarret brokering tens of billions in cash to Tehran could explain a little?

Maybe the global government elites can tell us that Islamists are clean skins when they arrive with no prior records and are as such the perfect untraceable killing machine with unfettered access?

Maybe they are the perfect catalyst to strip away all individual liberties and rights from the public in promise for protection from the same?

13 posted on 06/23/2016 6:37:10 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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There was a lot more than a "thought" as evidence in the massacre by the registered-Demonicrat, Hillary-supporting, ISIS-supporting, FBI-repeatedly investigated, radical Muslim homosexual terrorist.

And now ersatz Attorny General Lynch admits the DOJ has lost track of Omar's wife who said she knew about the massacre plans and may have access to his bank account, as well as tickets and jewelry (which can be easily hocked for cash) Omar purchased shortly before the massacre.

It's not whether there was more evidence than a thought about Omar's terrorism, but whether there is more evidence than a thought about the DOJ's complicity, before or after, in the terrorist murders.

14 posted on 06/23/2016 6:38:29 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: vsEPAwarrior; Delta 21
Wow - thanks for that post. I did not know that about Japan

That's because most of it isn't true.

16 posted on 06/23/2016 6:52:34 AM PDT by semimojo
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Why do we PROSECUTE people for what they THINK?

This very notion is the motivation behind the idea of “hate crimes”.

Motivation may be used as EVIDENCE for action, but should not be a prosecutable offense.


17 posted on 06/23/2016 6:55:45 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper ((Just say no to HRC))
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To: reaganaut1

Strange the NYT doesn’t have any problem with thoughtcrime when it comes to not wanting persons of the opposite sex using bathrooms, opposition to gay marriage or anything else deemed politically incorrect


18 posted on 06/23/2016 7:10:15 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: semimojo

Elaborate, please.


19 posted on 06/23/2016 7:18:51 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: reaganaut1

Why don’t we start by trying to stop the ones who have revealed their intentions by multiple speeches and actions ... such as the late Mr. Mateen who was reported to the FBI multiple times?

If enough of those are shot/locked up/deported before they can do any harm, then many of those who are just “thinking” will start thinking it’s not worth it.


20 posted on 06/23/2016 7:22:50 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Estos sufrimientos pasaran, y la esperanza una salida marcara." ~ Abp. Romero)
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