What Will Gun Controllers Do When Americans Ignore an ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban?

reason.com ^ | June 21, 2016 | J.D. Tuccille

[Malone LaVeigh]

But in the wake of Omar Mateen's bloody rampage in Orlando, gun control advocates think that overcoming the passionate opposition of firearms owners and imposing a ban on a difficult to define class of "assault weapons" is a swell idea whose time has come. This prohibition will somehow be different.

[wbarmy]

1000 rounds per gun owner.

That sounds like a starter collection. I personally know people who have far more than “1000” rounds. Far, far more.

20 trillion in the hands of citizens, probably not. 1 trillion, quite possible.

[archy]

So, do you suppose they learned that the hard way?

During the four-month long Finnish civil war that followed Finland's freedom from iots previous status as a Duchy of Russia, The new Soviet Union sent military advisors to the Finns who wanted to force Finland's membership into the new Soviet *Union,* aka the *Reds.* The Finnish Nationalists [*Whites*] found military advisors and leadership from Germany, in particular the German 27th Jaeger regiment.

The war was short, but brutal as civil wars often are. During the American Civil War of 1861-1865, we managed to kill off about 2% of the American population; the Finns managed about 1% of their population in those busy four months. More to the point, only about one casualty in four was what could be reasonably termed a combat death, including the wounded of both sides who were killed by mercy shots. Most of the rest were prisoners executed, whether for revenge, or to save feeding them, or simply by bayonetting as a means to introduce new rookies into the realities of their new situation in life.

The Finnish soldiers pictured here were Finnish kids attached to the 27th Jaegers; if you look closely you'll note that they've been decorated by their hosts with the Iron Cross, First or Second Classs. I do not think they got them for winning a spelling bee or turning in really good book reports.

[556x45]

Its not my opinion. Look at recentish police operations. Those are an excellent predicter of future behavior.

[laplata]

Exactly!

[archy]

In the M1A1. The bolt is massive. A hunk of metal that slides back and forth. Slam fire with firing pin machined into it. No innards, just a hunk of steel.

The M1 used the separate firing pin, firing pin spring and hammer of the previous M1928A1 model; the fixed firing pin [technically, Advanced Primer Ignition] of the M1A1 was one of those shortcuts pioneered by Savage, and happily, M1 guns that came in for Ordnance rework, repairs or rebuild could be refitted with the simpler setup by simply removing the old bolt and replacing it with the new one.

But I concur with you about liking the M1A1 Tommy's. See FR thread *here*.

[Laser_Ray]

Precisely what I keep telling everyone who will listen.

One of the very few reasons we aren’t getting Vietnam 2.0 in Iraq and Afghanistan with the pitiful ROE’s the troops work under is armored vehicles and air support the savages just can’t match. Stateside, even an unarmed vehicle that is “certified .50 proof” is a mobile “I win” button unless you can get it to drive by a big fat IED. Airwise, even the dumbest donut patrol cops have your arse proper once the whirlybirds have you bracketed. Rifles in the hands of a poorly-trained and irreguarly-equipped militia can only do so much and John Wayne fantasies be d@mned.

Buuut the game changes quite a lot if John Q American can get his mitts on something that blows a hole in a feddies’ mobile command center or knocks the tracks off their armored car. And with a little Yankee ingenuity the possibilities are endless: stick a DIY timer on the trigger and you can be miles away when that “boom tube” with an incendiary warhead crashes through the bedroom window of the local politician who just sponsored an anti-gun bill.

[vette6387]

I guess you prefer to only “look” at material that supports what you thnk! Anyway, time will tell now won’t it. At least we agree that the AR-15 is a weapon worth having.

[556x45]

No I try to look at the whole picture and not trying to pre-decide. A look at all instances says the cops will do what their pay masters direct. Not sure tho how you concluded I was biased.

[archy]

Look at how brave that man standing is, he appears to be showing no fear in the face of all those low-life aholes. No blindfold, looking em right in the eye I hope all those murderers died in the war, but if not, I bet that man tormented them later in life.

His name is Georges Blind, A French Resistance member, most of whom in his unit were Communists. He was not executed by the firing squad, but was instead sent to the German political prison [KZ] at Dachau, near Munich, where he eventually died.

[onedoug]

What will gun controllers do when the realize that they really don’t control as much as they think they do?

[Wonder Warthog]

One of the neatest "field-expedient" sabotage devices I have ever read about was developed by Allied POW's in WWII.

The Germans allowed "ration packs" from charities to be sent to POWs. Those packs apparently included both cigarettes and book matches.

A POW would light up a cigarette, place the butt of the cig under the matchbook cover, close the matchbook, and toss into a likely-looking pile of "burnable stuff" (often freight cars in trains).

Cig burns down to the first match in the book, sets off all the others, and "poof"...small timed-fuse incendiary device. I suspect today's Americans will be equally ingenious.

[archy]

***1000 rounds per gun owner.***

Uh, not quite. That would imply about 6,500 rounds per person throughout the entire country.

With 100 million gun owners, and 1,000 rounds per, you have 100 billion rounds, enough to start and finish a not so small war.

Since the basic individual weapon under discussion is the AR15/M16/M4, the general quantity of ammo issue is the M2A1 *.50 Caliber* ammo can, which holds 840 rounds of 5.56mm ammunition, in either the M193 55-grain bullet or M855 62-grain bullet loadings. There is of course other military ammo packaging, and civilian ammunition often comes in 100-round quantities, but that 840-round can is an awful good starting place, two cans per wood and wirebound shipping crate.

Three of those cans make up just a bit over 2500 rounds, my own base load for an AR/M16/M4. That lets me keep a can at home, another per vehicle, and one more...elsewhere. Not all my eggs are in one basket.

If one can is opened and used to fill one's magazines, any remaining from that can may be left in the bandoleers and make for a suitable Pancho Villa imitation. That leaves a can for either hand- and the cans come with folding handles installed. They are not comfortable for carry a long distance, but it can be done, or they can be moved in that vehicle with 840 rounds already aboard. Or they can be stored with that other 840...somewhere, waiting for a suitable rainy day.

And there are LOTS of other fun things that can be stored or carried in those cans.

[sarge83]

That is something the feds themselves will supply if needed, there will be plenty lying around if they are that stupid to try it.

5% of the gun owning population in open revolt, not counting a hefty percentage supporting the 5% creates an untenable scenario for the fed goons trying to enforce their “laws”.

Even if you call in the military those that obey the orders to murder their own would be hard pressed to control more than the area they are standing in. When they leave that area they no longer control it. Do you call in drone and airstrikes on your own citizens? How is that going to play out. Sure the state run media would ignore it but the internet would not allow for a blackout of the treachery unless Fed goons shut down the Internet and how does that play out in public opinion, not good.

[sarge83]

Even if you get local LEO’s to engage in kick down the door raids eventually through attrition there are more of us than them. You are correct. If the goons kill one gun owner and he/she takes out one or two goons the numbers quickly turn into a nightmare for the peddlers of tyranny.

[USCG SimTech]

What happened when a constitutional amendment was passed to outlaw alcohol?

[George Washington Axe]

GULP

[Laser_Ray]

*drools*

If you ever need help *ahem* discreetly storing a can or two...or two dozen...

[Ancesthntr]

I’ve done some selling of ammo at guns shows. Many people simply have 50 - 200 rounds per in the closet, no more. I’ve sold 2 boxes of 50 for a revolver that someone had just bought, and was going to the range with - how many would they have left after the range? 20 - 50, tops. People like you are not the rule, they’re the exception. Of course, you bump up the average quite a bit.

[archy]

If you ever need help *ahem* discreetly storing a can or two...or two dozen...

Glad to hear that. I'm running out of closet space.

[FreedomNotSafety]

I think the scenario is much easier for the Feds than anything describe here. After the SC overturns the 2nd Amendment, and then when it’s time to sign up for, example, Social Security and Medicare you will be asked to certify that you do not possess firearms as a condition for recieving these Federal benefits (and this compliance check would be enforced for all Federal programs).

You can lie if you wish. But the first time you are caught it’s the end of your benefits. There will be no massive confiscation because the goal is not to seize weapons but to silence the owners of the weapons.

Look around you. How many people do you know, are related to, go to church with, and etc that owe their monthly income to a government issued check?