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Posted on 06/18/2016 4:29:39 AM PDT by Kaslin
Role Player’s,,
When I was flying low level & doing nap of the earth iterations, our worst nightmare was a wire strike. Even a small power line could foul the main rotors & bring it down chop-chop. Harder to spot than the big wires.
And much less than a .50 cal can destroy a tail rotor gearbox or make it run dry & then seize.
HVAC guy was here yesterday. His Dad flew Cobras in VN & had two shot down. I flew Hueys and was more fortunate.
Helicopters have always been vulnerable to small arms fire especially in slow flight.
Then there will be a shooting that involves a pump shotgun and 00buckshot and six rounds. Twenty or so folks will be hurt or killed. Then they will mandate non-removable plugs for shotguns and only birdshot.
It will not stop until they have achieved their goals...unarmed Americans.
My understanding from a flippy wing pilot is while flying at night with NVGs, power lines show as glowing lines in the dark, UNLESS the power to them has been cut. Then they are invisible.
When I was with the Tropic Test Center in Panama, we did some tests with caching weapons, equipment and ammo.
Burying did not work well. I know a person who buried a couple of rifles as described. He used PVC and copious grease. They ended up as rusted junk after 10 years. (Temperate climate) If you must cache a rifle, find someplace above ground to do it. We found that storage in tree (in tropical rainforest) worked best. If nothing above ground is available, try to find an animal burrow where the storage case has airflow around it.
If it is time to bury, it may be time to use the rifle.
Yes, it was 1934, not 1968. Alan is usually quite good about that sort of thing. But we all make mistakes.
Disclaimer: Alan has been a personal friend for over 20 years.
Wow! Never knew that about NVGs & wires. I retired from flying before NVG training came along (we flew `nighthawk’ using the naked eye).
As a miltech I serviced lots of NVGs.
Stationed in Germany in early 1980’s (which is why I am banned from donating blood - mad cow), there was no night flying at all. Power lines were everywhere. Daylight you flew directly over the towers. Joke was that if the Soviets attacked their initial artillery barrage would be so heavy per square kilometer that the purpose of all those wires was to hold Germany together.
I have a device in my kitchen called a Food Saver. It enables you to seal and safely freeze meat or fish. The machine sucks all the air out and then heat seals the plastic bag. You could seal a pistol but the bags aren’t large enough for a rifle. I can’t imagine why you would want to do that anyway.
Funny. I was scuba diving for lobster in an out of the way place between Portobello and Isla Mamey. “The Sisters” IIRC. 1992 approx.
I found a 2 inch PVC pipe about 6 inches long sealed at both ends with end caps glued in place. Intensely curious when I got home it was with some trepidation I broke it open. I made the kids go inside. It had been packed with grease and a .223 round and a .45 round. IIRC for some reason I felt it had been in the water a year or two from a date inside or something.
The grease had deteriorated badly and the ammo was so corroded I am certain it was useless. I still wonder who did that. Was it one of yours?
The plastic comes in rolls that you can use to seal a rifle.
I suggest double bagging and include oxygen scavengers.
I forgive him if he gets me a date with his sister.
And a few yards of barbed wire and some cinder blocks will pull the tread from a tank. With no tread a tank is a pillbox. A pill box with no infantry is a tomb.
I buy the plastic bags in rolls, do you think a rifle would fit in the widest one? You would have to remove the scope and bag it separately. Have you tried this? I have only bagged food for the freezer.
***the AR will not be the only gun in the bill.***
How true! The libs have been on an anti-military kick since 1962 when Thomas J Dodd and Emanuel Cellar called for registration of handguns (”Long guns will not be affected”) AND a ban on the import of 5 shot bolt action army surplus rifles.
In the 1970s the libs decided American made military style rifles were A-OK and said so in many a TV script, that they were allowed by the Miller Decision of the SCOTUS while HANDGUNS were not.
After Reagan was shot, Hand gun Control Inc (HCI, now Brady Center) or another anti group, released a statement that they “ONLY wanted to control HANDGUNS, RIFLES would not be affected!”
Then four years later, while all eyes were on protecting handguns they made the first grab for semi-auto rifles and shotguns.
Please notice they are not going after revolvers as they were back in the 1970s. They are after anything semi-auto.
Around the year 2000, they made a grab for single shot large caliber rifles.
Oh, by the way, those “evil” 5 shot bolt action army surplus rifles are now back on the market. Seems they weren’t as “evil” as claimed. Dodd and Cellar demonized the import of those rifles in the 1960s to protect their own local industries of Winchester, Remington and Savage. Now the anti-gunners are trying to destroy those industries.
NEVER GIVE AN INCH!
“Sometimes a Great Notion”. THE great American novel. NEVER GIVE AN INCH.
During WW2 rice was used to bury things, in Phillipines...not sure how well it worked
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The current “assault rifle ban” in California originally had all LEVER ACTION RIFLES on their “to be banned” list. It appears some in Cali were living in fear of a Henry Rifle suddenly going on a rampage.
I read that when the Philippines fell to the Japs, General Wainright had a Colt .45 revolver that he hid. It was smothered in grease, covered in cloth and hidden way above ground in the crotch of a tree out of view from the ground. When it was recovered years later, it was well rusted up.
On the other hand, Jesse James hid a black powder handgun in a large jar full of rendered hog lard and it survived being buried very well.
Yes, an immobile piece of armor is usually a tomb. Sometimes it works the other way:
Second Lieutenant Audie L. Murphy, 01692509, 15th Infantry, Army of the United States, on 26 January 1945, near Holtzwihr, France, commanded Company B, which was attacked by six tanks and waves of infantry. Lieutenant Murphy ordered his men to withdraw to a prepared position in a woods while he remained forward at his command post and continued to give fire directions to the artillery by telephone. Behind him to his right one of our tank destroyers received a direct hit and began to burn. It’s crew withdrew to the woods. Lieutenant Murphy continued to direct artillery fire which killed large numbers of the advancing enemy infantry. With the enemy tanks abreast of his position, Lieutenant Murphy climbed on the burning tank destroyer which was in danger of blowing up any instant and employed its .50 caliber machine gun against the enemy. He was alone and exposed to the German fire from three sides, but his deadly fire killed dozens of Germans and caused their infantry attack to waver. the enemy tanks, losing infantry support, began to fall back. For an hour the Germans tried every available weapon to eliminated Lieutenant Murphy, but he continued to hold his position and wiped out a squad which was trying to creep up unnoticed on his right flank. Germans reached as close as 10 yards only to be mowed down by his fire. He received a leg wound but ignored it and continued the single-handed fight until his ammunition was exhausted. He then made his way to his company, refused medical attention, and organized the company in a counterattack which forced the Germans to withdraw. His directing of artillery fire wiped out many of the enemy; he personally killed or wounded about 50. Lieutenant Murphy’s indomitable courage and his refusal to give an inch of ground saved his company from possible encirclement and destruction and enabled it to hold the woods which had been the enemy’s objective.
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