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Some Things Get Better with Age: Marines Using 1980s Equipment to Strike ISIS
Townhall.com ^ | June 17, 2016 | Justin Holcomb

Posted on 06/17/2016 6:41:26 PM PDT by Kaslin

As the new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter project continues to lag down the road of extravagant spending, the U.S. Marine Corps has decided to reach back for technology from the early 80's to get the job done against ISIS.  

Marine Corps AV-8B Harriers flew on Thursday from aboard the USS Boxer in the Persian Gulf to provide what Vice Adm. Kevin Donegan, commander of U.S. Naval Forces Central Command, called simultaneous strikes with combat planes flying off the USS Harry S. Truman in the Mediterranean.  The Truman aircraft carrier strike group had been flying combat missions over Iraq and Syria from the Gulf, prior to moving into the Mediterranean about two weeks ago.

The McDonnell Douglas (now Boeing) AV-8B Harrier is known for its quick maneuverability in and out of strikes as it provides close support to combat Marines.  The project that eventually led to the AV-8B's creation started in the early 1970s and was complete in 1981.

This is not the first time that the U.S. military has had to reach back in its inventory to get the job done.

In April of this year, the B-52 bomber made its first combat deployment to the Mideast since the 1991 Gulf War.

 Watch the famous vertical take-off of the Harrier (Volume Warning):

Harrier vertical takeoff


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: military
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1 posted on 06/17/2016 6:41:26 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

What’s old is new again!


2 posted on 06/17/2016 6:43:25 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Kaslin

3 posted on 06/17/2016 6:46:39 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Nation States seem to be ending. The follow-on should not be Globalism, but Localism.)
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To: Kaslin

Improvise, Adapt, Overcome.

Marines have been doing this for years. Since the Corps’ budget isn’t as big as the other services, we’ve learned how to live with hand-me-downs and creating our own stuff out whatever we have available.


4 posted on 06/17/2016 6:48:16 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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To: Biggirl

As long as our guys dont use muskets, anything to kill our enemies efficiently and comfortably is fine with me.


5 posted on 06/17/2016 6:52:41 PM PDT by max americana (fired every liberal in our company at every election cycle..and laughed at their faces (true story))
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To: 2111USMC

A ship board mishap rate well beyond the level of modern day sanity. With the advanced version weapons system it is one of the sweetest unguided bombing platforms around. A buddy of mine said the worst hit he ever had was just outside a hundred feet and that was from a loft delivery where you pitch up and huck the bomb at the target. Pretty amazing.


6 posted on 06/17/2016 6:55:19 PM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Kaslin

Maybe these so-called ancient systems are more hack proof than modern software.


7 posted on 06/17/2016 6:58:09 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Kaslin
The Hawker Harrier (or was it Hawker-Siddely) is an amazing tour de force of British technology.

I used to build model kits of these in the mid 70s when I was a kid, always in the Royal Navy configuration; I'm just going off memory but I think the jump jet 1st entered service with the Royal Navy (UK), 1969.
If I'm wrong on the year I'm sure a FReeper will let me know, TIA.

8 posted on 06/17/2016 6:58:49 PM PDT by BloodScarletMinnesota
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To: max americana

Maybe it’s just nostalgia, but I think a flock of P-47s would earn their keep.


9 posted on 06/17/2016 7:00:24 PM PDT by Ketill Frostbeard ("Be shoemaker or shaft maker for thyself alone: imperfection for strangers earns curses." ODIN!!!)
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To: Kaslin

Stop playing games and let loose the A10 “HOGS”!


10 posted on 06/17/2016 7:04:09 PM PDT by WellyP (question!)
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To: Ketill Frostbeard

I imagine a bunch of WWII Stormoviks would also be effective in that scenario.

Of course attacking modern first class armies with first class anti aircraft armament might be where an F-35 just might be better. At least when they get the F-35 right.


11 posted on 06/17/2016 7:14:33 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: WellyP
The Warthog is a sweet dealer of doom to bad guys on the ground trying to scramble for cover in the short time they have before they realize that thing is right on top of 'em.
A-10 is more like what the Ilyushin Shturomik was designed to do against the enemy ground forces of its day on the Eastern Front.
Something of a "flying tank", meant for destroying heavy resistance on the ground from the air, able to take the punishment, and limp back for repairs.

The Harrier's mission is ground attack all the way like the A-10 or the Republic P-47 Thunderbolt of WW2, but it's capabilities are so much different from them due to the innovative thrust and landing gear systems and all the other amazing attributes of the Harrier.

12 posted on 06/17/2016 7:34:28 PM PDT by BloodScarletMinnesota
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To: 2111USMC

8541 bump.

Semper Fi.

L


13 posted on 06/17/2016 7:41:27 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: 2111USMC
Improvise, Adapt, Overcome.

Which was usually followed by "Who told you to do that!!!". And of course the inevitable "good initiative, bad judgement".

14 posted on 06/17/2016 7:46:01 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: yarddog
Roger that on Shturmovik, you posted it 1st while I was still typing my opinions on various deck strafers.

But the Harrier can do shit no other fixed wing aircraft can do that I know of.
I've read of Harriers being able to hover on station like a helicopter and even fly backwards at slow speeds to make adjustments in gunnery.
I wonder if a Harrier ever won a dog-fight with an enemy helicopter?

15 posted on 06/17/2016 7:46:08 PM PDT by BloodScarletMinnesota
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To: Biggirl; Kaslin
Remember these beauties.


16 posted on 06/17/2016 7:49:38 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: Kaslin
Give Peace PUFF a chance!!
17 posted on 06/17/2016 7:50:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (SEMPER FI!! - Monthly Donors Rock!!)
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To: BBell

LOL!

You’ve “been there done that” haven’t ya!


18 posted on 06/17/2016 7:51:26 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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To: yarddog
This baby.

Would do well.

19 posted on 06/17/2016 7:51:35 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: BloodScarletMinnesota

In his autobiography Erich Hartmann described his first attempt to shoot down a Stormovik. He poured a volley of fire into it and was shocked to see no effect plus the rear gunner almost got him.

He then talked to some of the experienced pilots and they told him to attack them from below and behind. That was their only weak spot. Of course the Russians knowing that tended to fly very low.

Hartmann who almost was killed that day went on to down at least 352 planes, probably substantially more.


20 posted on 06/17/2016 7:52:21 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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