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To: Thud

Interesting observation on the FBI, we’ll have to wait and see what pans out.

The Orlando episode was definitely badly botched by those on the scene though, local LEO if I understand correctly.

One of the first things that struck me was the ratio of dead to wounded, it was way too high, then it turns out that no first responders were allowed to enter until the perp had been dead for an hour, due to a fear of bombs/booby-traps.

I’m guessing that at least 15 to 20 people bled to death from that decision alone.

The mechanics of the stand-off don’t make sense either. I looked at a floorplan of the place, and counted 6 doors and a window. How does one gunman, talking on the phone no less, cover 6 exits in three rooms? How come he wasn’t jumped when popping in a new clip?

Guidelines for a stand-off like this are so cautious, that a lot more people die than necessary.


13 posted on 06/14/2016 3:48:27 PM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: Gunpowder green
The Orlando PD let the perp wander around inside for hours making certain everyone inside was dead.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3641340/Im-Im-dead-Orlando-shooting-survivor-recounts-horror.html

"... He briefly thought he had escaped death, when the shooter turned his weapons on victims in another part of the club.

'He goes into the other room, and I can just hear more shots going on. I thought I was a little safe at this time because, you know, it's giving everyone time to tackle him down or get him down,' he said.

'Unfortunately, I hear him come back, and he's shooting everyone that's already dead on the floor. Making sure they're dead,' Colon said.

'I can hear the (gunshots) closer, and I look over and he shoots the girl next to me. And I'm just there laying down. I'm thinking, 'I'm next. I'm dead.''

The gunman shoots the already wounded Colon twice more, but somehow, the survivor said, 'by the glory of God, he shoots towards my head but it hits my hand.

'Then he shoots me again and it hits the side of my hip,' he recalled.

Colon was careful not to give away the fact that, despite having a half-dozen bullets lodged in his body, he was not dead.

'I had no reaction. I was just prepared to just stay there laying down so he won't know that I'm alive,' he said.

'And he's just doing this for another five, ten minutes. He's just shooting all over the place.'

The shooting continued, Colon said, until police who burst into the building traded fire with the gunman and rescued the survivors, three hours after the start of the ordeal."


17 posted on 06/14/2016 4:16:39 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Gunpowder green

“Guidelines for a stand-off like this are so cautious, that a lot more people die than necessary.”

Nothing like a “no-risk-allowed” bureaucratic mentality to screw up first responders.

Life is not risk free.


25 posted on 06/14/2016 5:51:16 PM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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