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EPA Just Declared War On Millions of Car Owners
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 5/25/2016 | Staff

Posted on 05/25/2016 3:54:04 AM PDT by IBD editorial writer

Energy: The EPA’s proposal to increase the amount of ethanol that must be blended into gasoline is a trifecta of regulatory abuse. It will do nothing for the environment, it will do nothing for energy security, and it could wreck millions of car engines

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airquality; automakers; bhoepa; envirowhackos; epa; epaoutofcontrol; ethanol; ethanolgasoline; gasoline
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To: oldvirginian
Considering the downside, he may want to reconsider his position and Negotiate.
81 posted on 05/25/2016 6:50:41 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Senator_Blutarski

Indy cars run on pure ethanol and have for years. Prior to that they ran on methanol. But if your family car is not built to run on the mix it can be a problem especially in carburetored and TBI’ed vehicles during hot months.


82 posted on 05/25/2016 6:56:20 AM PDT by redangus
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To: IBD editorial writer

It’s my understanding that any other than flex fuel vehicles(which were & are a bad idea)were made to run on a MAXIMUM of 10% ethanol. So in reality,the 15% crap they are pushing should not be used in most vehicles,& I don’t think manufacturer’s warranty will cover potential damage. EPA is inept & needs to be abolished.


83 posted on 05/25/2016 7:03:23 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: Flying Circus

Gas stations around the Lake of the Ozarks and SW Missouri lakes carry it.
Last year, the terminal “spread” was $.30 over 87 oxy.

Retailers offered this at $.50 over 87.


84 posted on 05/25/2016 7:12:15 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: IBD editorial writer

Baby Bush’s generous gift to his corn farmer friends. I hate Baby Bush more and more over time. He was no conservative.


85 posted on 05/25/2016 7:55:53 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (The Confederate Flag is the new "N" word.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
I guess, just junk it then.

My cousin told me about his old, 50s, that when he lets it set for a while it will not start and does not run right as the low octane form the evaporated alcohol. I suppose you would want to junk all vehicles that are over 10 years old.

86 posted on 05/25/2016 8:01:48 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: TexasGator

Obviously you’re ignoring the far bigger problem with running on alcohol and that’s the low energy content requires a considerably higher fuel to air mixture than current production vehicles’ fuel systems are capable of providing.


87 posted on 05/25/2016 8:03:39 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

i repair these things for a living,you don’t know what you are talking about.


88 posted on 05/25/2016 8:42:36 AM PDT by old gringo (a wise monkey never monkeys with another monkeys monkey.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
A gallon of 10% ethanol blend has 96% of the BTUs of a gallon of gasoline, so you should get about 4% less gas mileage.

Yep. Motor fuel taxes are often applied by unit volume, so the fewer miles per tank of fuel you get, the more gallons you have to pump and therefore, the more money the government gets from you. The Feds aren't doing this just to subsidize a bunch of corn farmers.

89 posted on 05/25/2016 9:04:42 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: T-Bone Texan
It is stated explicitly in the owners manual that the use of 15% ethanol voids the warranty on my 2013 Toyota Tacoma.

IT VOIDS MY WARRANTY.

Back when the idea of E15 gasoline was first kicked around, the concept was that it would be sold alongside E10, with pump warning stickers directing that its use be limited to vehicles of a certain model year or newer. Don't know if that sensible approach is still part of the plan.

90 posted on 05/25/2016 9:11:17 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
He has already stated he is for corn subsidies. Even said he wants to give the farmers of Iowa more subsidies. Of course he said that when campaigning in Iowa.

Ted Cruz did not promise subsidies to the Iowa farmers and won!

91 posted on 05/25/2016 9:26:34 AM PDT by thirst4truth (America, What difference does it make?)
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To: refermech
My 2007 Tahoe is designed for "flex fuel". It is designed to run on different kinds of fuels. Haven't had trouble with that so much, still getting 19mph no matter what I do.

What has me so mad is to get the better mileage rate mandated by the EPA, they are using lighter metals aluminum instead of steel in the engines. So at 80,000 grandma miles with a $48,000 vehicle, it had a defective crankshaft that cracked and I had to have the engine rebuilt cost $7,000! I hate GM is an under statement

92 posted on 05/25/2016 9:35:40 AM PDT by thirst4truth (America, What difference does it make?)
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To: thirst4truth

But ted cruze ultimately lost. So?


93 posted on 05/25/2016 9:36:19 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?.)
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To: jurroppi1

My 08 runs fine on 87


94 posted on 05/25/2016 9:52:41 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: from occupied ga

Well, you better tell the automakers about your relegation....


95 posted on 05/25/2016 9:54:57 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: jurroppi1
I hope you don’t have pre-ignition problems with it. Most cars are designed for 87/88 octane.

If anything, it won't suffer pre-ignition, what will happen is mileage could suffer due to lack of full ignition. Higher octane is used to prevent pre-ignition, usually due to higher compression ratios. Lower compression ratios don't allow the higher octane fuel to fully combust, and you lose MPG/power.

96 posted on 05/25/2016 10:18:36 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (I before E, except after C. Weird.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“They might cease to function, but they are not destroyed,.”

One of the other problems is that ethanol will absorb water (humidity) until it reaches about 10% water to ethanol ratio and then drop out of solution.

As posted above, ethanol has a lot higher octane than gasoline so once it drops out, you have a marked drop in octane.

Pre-ignition is the ping you hear from a hot lean engine under load. It does slow damage.

Pre-detonation is fuel detonating prior to the appointed time due to high compression or lack of octane. Pre-detonation removes the tops of the pistons quickly.


97 posted on 05/25/2016 10:19:33 AM PDT by Clay Moore (JRandomFreeper RIP)
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To: refermech
The hysteria about alcohol is way overblown. IMHO.

Why? If it affects rubbers hoses and gaskets, shouldn't it be cause for concern? Also, alcohol has less energy per gallon, so you consume more, and get lower MPG as a result. I've never understood the desire to run alcohol. It costs more to produce, reduces MPG, so you have to use more to go the same distance, negating any positive impact you may get when blending it with gasoline.

I used to race go-karts. I ran methanol and after every race we'd have to run WD-40 through the engine, otherwise it would ruin the innards. It attracts moisture, it left deposits on filters and ruined regular rubber hose, we had to run a clear plastic hose, not rubber. Without the WD-40, you'd get nowhere fast the next race.

98 posted on 05/25/2016 10:34:44 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (I before E, except after C. Weird.)
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To: TexasGator

Which is not premium grade gasoline, 87 octane is standard grade and will not cause pre-ignition issues.


99 posted on 05/25/2016 10:36:30 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (The only thing you "pass to see what's in it" is a stool sample. h/t MrB)
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To: jurroppi1
Non oxygenated gas (non-ethanol blends) are typically 92-95 or so octane, which will cause pinging (pre-ignition) in most stock domestic vehicles and damage the pistons.

Did you mean 82-85 octane? Because you won't suffer pinging or pre-ignition from any 92-95 octane fuel in any vehicle rated for regular gas.

100 posted on 05/25/2016 10:44:15 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (I before E, except after C. Weird.)
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