Posted on 05/25/2016 12:10:20 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
More than 300 prominent historians, including Simon Schama and Niall Ferguson, are warning voters that if they choose to leave the European Union on 23 June they will condemn Britain to irrelevance.
In a letter to the Guardian, the academics and writers argue that the referendum offers a chance to underscore the “irreplaceable role” Britain has played, and should continue to play, in Europe’s history.
“As historians of Britain and of Europe, we believe that Britain has had in the past, and will have in the future, an irreplaceable role to play in Europe,” the letter says.
“On 23 June, we face a choice: to cast ourselves adrift, condemning ourselves to irrelevance and Europe to division and weakness; or to reaffirm our commitment to the EU and stiffen the cohesion of our continent in a dangerous world.”
(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...
The EU is quite a bit of big brother and has a lot of faults, yes, but leaving it will not help the UK. Far better to stay within and push and shout -- the UK has a big influence and quite a few allies in Eastern EUrope
Also, the crime rates are not through the stratosphere and their nation is not a Moslem outpost yet.
While things are bad, your statement is hyperbole
well, yes, but my point was that Europe needs to spend more on its own defence rather than just depending on the US
Sorry for calling Poland an also-ran.
My brother lives in Berlin and has a small daughter. Brexit would mess with his status because he’s not married to his girlfriend, although they’re both together. She’s ex-East German, which is actually fascinating.
Brexit might make him have to leave his love and his daughter, so that bit is very personal to me.
Anyway, I have to sleep now. Love your posts.
Switzerland is not in the EU and economically they spank Britain. In fact they spank all of the members of the EU economically.
However, your point was correct -- POland doesn't have the heft to take on the Franco-German axis and needs the Visegrad group + the UK to put pressure on the F-G and prevent centralization
“Relevance” is meaningless whe you are bankrupt and dead.
How did Britain maintain relevance, alone, for so many centuries if that would be the outcome of cutting loose from the European bureaucratic dictatorship.
brexit is more likely to result in the UK being bankrupted (as it loses access to its major market and supplier and also loses the bargaining power derived from being a part of a larger bloc) and dead (If they vote for Brexit, then Scotland will move to leave the UK as the Scots are pro-EU)
Yeah.....Doris Kearns Goodwin was one of the 400 ‘constitutional scholar’ signatories in the 1998 NYT ad that essentially said a Bl@w J@b is not an impeachable offense.
Settled History. Don’t you ‘historians’ have something better to do?
“The euro is a mess, but the idea of a common currency...”
The UK does not use the Euro, even though they are presently in the EU.
The economic union does not act in the best interests of the UK. Take immigration policy for one obvious example. The UK is immensely productive compared to other members such as Italy, greece, spain, portugal. They should not continue to let Germany dictate economic policy in the EU.
The economic union can be replaced with other, individual agreements with other European countries.
The UK is geographically, and culturally distinct. The should guide their destiny, not Brussels.
They should exit, because they can exit easier than any other EU member.
“More than 300 prominent historians”
Headshake. Pure crap.
Like:
It’s settled science, 97% of scientists agree.
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National suicide is not the solution to anything.
EU- was formed to compete against global powers-
the U.S.,China,Japan-etc- I believe everyone thought it
would be economic in nature- and originally it was larger
states and more centered on economic benefits-
Not Now- 1. Must take in ANY refugees-2. must accept
the homosexual agenda- must acquiesce to other countries-politics- 28 nations now - looking at more to
come on board- Turkey being the prime country-that may
be accepted- (there are others that want in) I think
Britain is falling now ... they accepted this One world Govt. and it will destroy them politically- I think this is why the polls are showing a strong desire to go back.
7. You say the Economic union can be replaced with other individual agreements with other European coutnries -- that won't happen unless the EU as a whole collapses and that isn't going to happen. What will happen is that England goes out and no one agrees anything with it individually -- England would need to negotiate with the EU as a bloc
8. the UK is no more geographically distinct than Sweden or Finland is from Germany. The Channel is hardly any distance and hasn't been an obstacle for people right from Neolithic times.
9. The UK is no longer culturally distinct -- I lived there in the early 2000s and they are no longer the "ole England" -- the culture there is degraded heavily, heavily.
10.The fact that they can exit easier than others doesn't mean they should exit. It's not a great club, but leaving it is worse
Because Switzerland is so irrelevant. /s
2. The homosexual agenda -- the UK is even further down that part than much of Europe. LEaving or staying won't change this.
3. Must acquiesce to other countries politics -- how? And those other countries need to acquiesce to British politics right?
4. Turkey won't be accepted -- Greece and Cyprus will veto
5. Britain has been falling for a long time. Leaving the EU is only going to hasten that slide.
Switzerland is a separate case - you can’t compare a luxury goods seller to a general retailer.
Also, remember that Switzerland was, until the 1950s, much much poorer than Germany or France. they were conquered by Napoleon and were pretty much a backwater due to their internal civil war in the 1800s. Only by staying out of WWI and II and keeping money from both sides did they prosper
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