Posted on 05/24/2016 11:00:56 AM PDT by rarestia
Hawaii could become the first state in the United States to enter gun owners into an FBI database that will automatically notify police if an island resident is arrested anywhere else in the country.
Most people entered in the "Rap Back" database elsewhere in the U.S. are those in "positions of trust," such as school teachers and bus drivers, said Stephen Fischer of the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division. Hawaii could be the first state to add gun owners.
"I don't like the idea of us being entered into a database. It basically tells us that they know where the guns are, they can go grab them" said Jerry Ilo, a firearm and hunting instructor for the state. "We get the feeling that Big Brother is watching us."
Supporters say the law would make Hawaii a leader in safe gun laws. Allison Anderman, a staff attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said the bill was "groundbreaking," and that she hadn't heard of other states introducing similar measures.
(Excerpt) Read more at bigstory.ap.org ...
There’s been a national gun registry for years. If you have listened carefully to Lynch, Holder, and Obama over the last seven years, you’ll discover that there is a list. They make oblique references to it from time to time.
Hopefully President Trump will enforce them. President Hillary clearly won't.
Records of gun owners can readily be created from posts on social media and, better yet, credit card records of firearms related purchases such as ammunition, holsters, magazines, NRA dues & donations, and etc.
Anymore the truth is that people are putting the information out there and all a gun grabber has to do is go look for it.
When they run the FBI background check, if you buy from a dealer, you’re on a list. Trust me.
Might as well make it as difficult and dangerous as possible for them.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
I’m sure this will include serial numbers.
rktman,
I’m not picking on you specifically but I see this “boating accident” thing a lot now. And I know much of it is tounge in cheek.
BUT
In all honesty, don’t try it. I suggest not saying anything and asking for your lawyer is a much better strategy.
Do what you want but lying to the Feds can get ugly fast.
“Supporters say the law would make Hawaii a leader in safe gun laws.”
Typical libtard thinking:
- “Ha ha! Gun owners names are in a data base, now we’re super duper safe!”
- “But what about the criminal who have obtained their guns illegally?”
- “Well, this is a good start.”
I have to wonder if the fools who wrote this legislation genuinely think they are making things any safer, or do they just lie about it being the first step towards confiscation....
++++If you’ve ever purchased a gun and gone through the NICS background check you are in a federal database as a gun owner.+++++
^^^ THIS
Your name, DOB, drivers license and SS if entered was in their computer before you walked out the door with your purchase. Just the NICS clerk keying the query for the check into their system stores it in their system. Anyone that believes the feds ‘oh we dont save that data’ is prime target for selling unnamed bridges.
That is always the argument...'safety'.... when in fact that is total baloney.....hopefully the Hawaiians will stand strong and defeat this move for more unconstitutional power.
Even faster, if you tell the truth.
Faster still, resistance.
Now let's think about outcomes...
First to “officially do what the Feds say will not happen - probably a handful already doing it covertly....
And politics is one of the more important reasons for that attitude.
Of course anyone who has bought guns, at least in the past 15-20 years, is already in an illegal FBI database. Of that, I have no doubt. The accuracy of the database is in question, because of private sales, which is why certain people are so hot and bothered to get ALL sales and transfers run through background checks.
“Safe gun laws”
How the hell is this a “safe gun law”???
Yup, the ATF and LEO’s have a citizen firearm purchase database going back to the 1970’s.
Surrendering / accounting for your firearms will be required when the SHTF. IRS will likely impose a lien / garnish wages / withhold a tax refund until surrender, proof of legal transfer, lost or stolen report form is provided.
Just wait.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/10/27/firearms-national-tracing-center-atf/74401060/
Officials estimate that 1.6 million paper documents and other records arrive every month from defunct firearm dealers who are required to ship their business records, some barely discernible, to this Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives facility for eventual inclusion in a digital repository. <—
Up to 50 times a day, document examiners comb through everything from 1970s-era <—microfilm to hand-written cards in an effort to satisfy sometimes urgent pleas for assistance from law enforcement agencies from across the country, ATF information specialist Neil Troppman said.
1986 Firearm Owners' Protection Act(FOPA)
FOPA also forbade any U.S. Government agency from keeping a registry directly linking non-National Firearms Act (1934, i.e., machine guns and sawed-off shot guns) firearms to their owners. The specific language of this law is Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926
FOPA-1986
Nevertheless, the ATF Firearms Tracing System (FTS) contains hundreds of millions of firearm tracing and registration records, and consists of several databases:
1. Multiple Sale Reports - Over 460,000 (2003) Multiple Sales reports (ATF F 3310.4 - a registration record with specific firearms and owner name and address - increasing by about 140,000 per year). Reported as 4.2 million records in 2010.
2. Suspect Guns - All guns suspected of being used for criminal purposes but not recovered by law enforcement. This database includes (ATF's own examples[citation needed]), individuals purchasing large quantities of firearms, and dealers with improper record keeping. May include guns observed by law enforcement in an estate, or at a gun show, or elsewhere. Reported as 34,807 in 2010.
3. Traced Guns - Over 4 million detail records from all traces since inception.[12] This is a registration record which includes the personal information of the first retail purchaser, along with the identity of the selling dealer.
4. Out of Business Records - Data is manually collected from paper Out-of-Business records (or input from computer records) and entered into the trace system by ATF. These are registration records which include name and address, make, model, serial and caliber of the firearm(s), as well as data from the 4473 form - in digital or image format. In March, 2010, ATF reported receiving several hundred million records since 1968.
5. Theft Guns - Firearms reported as stolen to ATF. Contained 330,000 records in 2010. Contains only thefts from licensed dealers and interstate carriers (optional).[12] Does not have an interface to the FBI's National Crime Information Center (NCIC) theft data base, where the majority of stolen, lost and missing firearms are reported.
1993 Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act - Mandated the creation of the NICS.
1998 - FBI launches the NICS. The FFL dealer contacts the NICS by telephone or Internet. When the background check is initiated 3 databases are accessed: (1) the National Crime Information Center (NCIC), (2) the Interstate Identification Index (III), and (3) the NICS Index. According to the FBI, checks are usually determined within minutes of initiation. If there is no match in any of the checked databases, the dealer is cleared to proceed with the transfer. Otherwise, the FBI's NCIS Section must contact the appropriate judicial and/or law enforcement agencies for more information. Per the Brady Act, the FBI has 3 business days to make its decision to approve or deny the transfer. If the FFL has not received the decision within that time it may legally proceed anyway.
The FBI originally wanted the NICS inquiry requests by FFL dealers (essentially AFT Form 4473) for prospective firearm buyers be allowed to be kept on record for 18 months. The GOA backed them down to 6 months retention. This is an apparent violation of Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926.
1/08/2016 - Obama Wants to Hire Hundreds More FBI, ATF Staff>
The Obama administration wants to hire hundreds more federal law enforcement personnel to expedite mandatory background checks on gun buyers, as part of several new executive actions aiming at reducing gun violence.
The FBI will hire more than 230 extra analysts and other staff for the National Instant Criminal Background Check System – the 17-year-old database created to prevent gun sales to those prohibited from obtaining firearms – to help provide round-the-clock processing of background checks and faster notice to local authorities about potential unlawful gun purchases. According to information on the FBI’s website, NICS currently is “customarily available 17 hours a day, seven days a week, including holidays (except Christmas).”
The White House said the new hiring “will begin immediately and increase the existing workforce by 50 percent,” according to a fact sheet on the executive actions. “This will reduce the strain on the NICS system and improve its ability to identify dangerous people who are prohibited from buying a gun before the transfer of a firearm is completed.”
Carol Cratty, an FBI spokeswoman, said by email that the FBI will hire the additional NICS personnel over the next 2 years. NICS staff work at the FBI’s Criminal Justice Information Services Branch, based in Clarksburg, WV.
Cratty said the workload of NICS has increased steadily since the creation of the database in 1998 “with December 2015 being the highest month on record for background checks.” In addition to more staff, the agency is overhauling the system’s technology to modernize it to handle expedited processing. The FBI also is working with “federal, state, local and tribal partners to gather more complete criminal and mental health records,” Cratty said.
The White House also wants to hire 200 new investigators and agents at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (also part of Justice) to help enforce gun laws, including the measures Obama announced. One of the major “new actions” requires background checks and a license for gun sellers, regardless of location. The move is designed to clarify the current language on the books to close the so-called loophole associated with sales at guns shows and online.
Hawaii gave up Obama-of-missing/fraudulent-birth-certificate...they ALWAYS vote democrat. I have no use for them, been there once, not all that. Impressed.
Re: It begins though with the best on intentions
There are no good intentions here. Thousands of people are caught every year lying on Form 4473 and yet are never prosecuted. If they don’t intend to catch criminals, then we can see they are only going after the law-abiding.
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