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They’re Coming For Your Home
Townhall.com ^ | May 23, 2016 | Katie Kieffer

Posted on 05/23/2016 5:03:44 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: bert
moving to “the county”

We're nearly there and I'm confident the ghetto will NOT follow us that far.
It's too much work.

Of course we'll have to go "into town" on occasion - but that's what 2A is for.

41 posted on 05/23/2016 6:16:29 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: servantboy777
Very sad, America, the greatest nation on the planet, dying a slow death.


Only if we let it. As Ben Franklin said upon the passing of the Dec of Independence, "You have your republic...if you can keep it".

42 posted on 05/23/2016 6:17:18 AM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject)
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To: Kaslin

The trick is to effectively oppose it while avoiding the charge of RACISM.


43 posted on 05/23/2016 6:18:56 AM PDT by G Larry (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants.)
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To: stockpirate

I see all the usual suspects.


44 posted on 05/23/2016 6:21:16 AM PDT by Romans Nine
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To: stockpirate

All of them need to be voted out of office.


45 posted on 05/23/2016 6:25:32 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: IronJack

Well if that’s the argument, the author is wrong about which Constitutional argument covers this. That’s a 5th Amendment Takings Clause argument, not a 4th Amendment search and seizure argument. That doesn’t mean I disagree with the substantive concern about the Federal Government rationing land use in a Soviet-style state controlled system. But the actual argument made is not Constitutionally correct.


46 posted on 05/23/2016 6:26:15 AM PDT by henkster (DonÂ’t listen to what people say, watch what they do.)
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To: Kaslin

bfl


47 posted on 05/23/2016 6:28:07 AM PDT by gibsosa
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To: Starboard

Don’t forget Chappaqua, NY.


48 posted on 05/23/2016 6:30:38 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hey now baby, get into my big black car, I just want to show you what my politics are.)
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To: mumblypeg

That was after WW2. Housing of ANY kind was in high demand then...virtually none had been built since 1931. Plus there was an entire generation of GIs that had left their parents’ already-crowded homes as boys and were now coming home as men seeking their own families.


49 posted on 05/23/2016 6:31:51 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Bigg Red

MARK


50 posted on 05/23/2016 6:39:32 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Keep calm and Pray on.)
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To: Kaslin

**AFFH creates a new definition called “fair housing choice,” which states that the federal government must micromanage local zoning so “individuals and families… [are] able to achieve fair housing choice given the legacy of segregation, ongoing discrimination, and residential patterns that offer different levels of access to community assets.”**

Doesn’t sound too friendly.


51 posted on 05/23/2016 6:42:03 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: mumblypeg

So what?


52 posted on 05/23/2016 6:43:03 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: henkster
I certainly wouldn't fight this overreach on Fourth Amendment grounds. I was just theorizing about the author's intent.

I would resist this as a violation of the 10th Amendment, the 5th, and the 4th. There is also an issue of involuntary servitude if a homeowner is forced to sell to a party against his own wishes.

The bottom line is that in the liberal (socialist) world, private property really doesn't exist. Any property can be controlled by the State for the betterment of the Collective. That is exactly the reasoning behind this draconian program, and one reason it must be resisted, defied, and overturned.

Congress should act to un-fund HUD if this is allowed to continue. Using taxpayer money to oppress taxpayers is about as socialist as it gets.

53 posted on 05/23/2016 7:12:51 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Kaslin

They don’t care about the 10th Amendment, why would they care about the 4th?


54 posted on 05/23/2016 7:42:23 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: IronJack
I agree. And our discussion brings up the conflict between "positive rights" and "negative rights," terms which I refuse to use as they are a further example of the corruption of language to serve the agenda of the far left. "Positive rights" are supposedly the requirements that the government do something for you, while "negative rights" are the limitations on what the government can do to you.

I prefer instead the terms "collective rights" and "individual rights." The individual rights are those enshrined in our Bill of Rights, as well as those found here and there in the body of the Constitution itself. "Collective rights," however, are supposedly rights to things like food, housing, employment, education and health care. Most Americans on the left like to point to the South African Constitution as a "model" of granting collective rights, since those rights are all found there. What the left doesn't want people to know is that the real source of those "rights" is the Soviet constitution, from which the South African constitution was cut and pasted. Of course, it makes sense, since the ANC leadership were all Soviet communists.

I consider collective rights to be inherently in conflict with individual rights. You cannot have an enforcement of collective rights without an encroachment on the individual ones. And what is not pointed out is that collective rights are not really rights at all. To go down the list of these rights, do I have the "right" to a college degree, a job that pays $1 million per year, to live in a huge home and to eat steak and lobster for dinner every night? I may think I do, but realistically, we all know that isn't possible.

So what happens is that the State determines how much of your "rights" you get through process of rationing. That ration is determined on a political, not economic basis. You get what the State says you get, and if you are a "kulak," the State takes what it says it will take. "Collective Rights" come right out of Stalin's playbook, with his forced collectivization, five-year plans, and gigantic state planning agency, Gosplan. Don't forget all the repression that comes with it to make it work.

But it doesn't work; it's a bad business plan. That's why the USSR went out of business. The academics and power hungry activists on the left don't care about that. They care about advancing their totalitarian agenda, and collective rights are a very useful tool.

The HUD decree is a perfect example of "collective rights" in action.

55 posted on 05/23/2016 8:01:10 AM PDT by henkster (DonÂ’t listen to what people say, watch what they do.)
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To: MNnice
The principle our country was founded upon was not equality. It was freedom.

The French revolution was about equality. ~ MNnice

Exactly!

56 posted on 05/23/2016 8:36:29 AM PDT by antonia (A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. - Edward R. Murrow)
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To: Kaslin

Abolish HUD.

Must be done by Trump on day one.


57 posted on 05/23/2016 8:38:19 AM PDT by Pelham (Trump/Tsoukalos 2016 - vote the great hair ticket)
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To: ConservativeWarrior

I did exactly as you did. I didn’t take too kindly to their threat to escalate either. Their notices were destroyed.


58 posted on 05/23/2016 8:39:58 AM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: henkster
You've defined the battleground perfectly. Our Constitution -- indeed, our very Republic -- was founded on the notion that private property is sacred. Collectivism, therefore, is anathema. Yet the "takes a village" "you didn't build that" mentality that pervades the bolshevik Left is exactly that anathema, by definition inimical to our Founders' vision and the vision that guided this country to phenomenal success for two centuries.

The rights usurped by government are in direct defiance of Article 10, yet we continue to tolerate it. These days, it's a rare individual who even asks if the government has the authority to do what it proposes. They simply accept that whatever the government wants, it should get.

That is exactly the opposite of what our country was founded on. Increasing collectivization REQUIRES a corresponding lack of freedom for the citizenry. It is implicit in the notion of Social Contract.

59 posted on 05/23/2016 8:53:23 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Kaslin

Cuz it’s NOT FAIR that after spending years in school, earning your MBA and sweat-busting your way up the corporate ladder, you get to live in a place with better schools for your kids.


60 posted on 05/23/2016 8:58:33 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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