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FAA’s bid to expand air traffic hiring pool hits turbulence
Newsday. ^ | April 24, 2016 | Candice Ruud

Posted on 05/11/2016 9:54:58 PM PDT by george76

Before the FAA changed the hiring protocol in 2014, the majority of new air traffic control hires had served as controllers in the military or graduated from an FAA-approved Collegiate Training Initiative program — resulting in associate’s or bachelor’s degrees — and were given preference in hiring because of that experience.

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Since 2014, any applicants with aviation degrees or military service are now on equal footing with people without any experience, because the first step to being hired means passing the questionnaire.

In some cases, applicants with no experience are passing the questionnaire while those with academic training degrees are not ...

“I have a couple of students who actually were air traffic controllers in the military and failed that test,” said Tom Daly.. How could you be an air traffic controller for five years, very successfully, and fail that test?

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The change in hiring has angered Collegiate Training Initiative graduates, especially those who had already scored well on the AT-SAT and were on a preferred hiring list when the FAA announced it would make the change. A federal reverse discrimination lawsuit has been filed by the Mountain States Legal Foundation...

Lawyers estimate they could have as many as 3,000 plaintiffs who suffered from reverse discrimination, arguing the new hiring process was adopted to increase diversity in the controller workforce.

We have a statement from a leading FAA official that we quoted in the complaint, and he said that they made this decision in order to increase diversity ...

The FAA said if you go to a CTI school and you pass the AT-SAT that you will be eligible to go to training, and then after they had done that, the FAA disqualified them not because of their skills, but because they made a decision based on race

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; airtraffic; atc; aviation; diversity; diversityquota; faa
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1 posted on 05/11/2016 9:54:58 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

This is written in some form of gibberish. Explain how you “pass a questionnaire”?


2 posted on 05/11/2016 10:01:40 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Just say you’re a Muslim and you’re hired.


3 posted on 05/11/2016 10:02:32 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Just what I want, flying the friendly skies having to worry if someone was hired based off a diversity quota or was hired based off experience, education and qualifications.


4 posted on 05/11/2016 10:05:28 PM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: george76

In St. Louis, air traffic controllers are being hired by racial quota, regardless of education, experience, or any real passion about the job. Very discouraging. TSA and ATC jobs should go to vets first.


5 posted on 05/11/2016 10:21:38 PM PDT by MHT (,`)
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To: Jarhead9297

What could go wrong?


6 posted on 05/11/2016 10:44:40 PM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: MHT
In St. Louis, air traffic controllers are being hired by racial quota, regardless of education, experience, or any real passion about the job. Very discouraging. TSA and ATC jobs should go to vets first.

I remember racial quotas for FAA ATC positions back in the 70s, so it's not new. I am not sure, but maybe the difference is, now they don't even try to hide it.
I don't know why people want to do that job. It's really crappy. I did it twenty years, and there is NO glory in it whatsoever.

7 posted on 05/11/2016 10:51:07 PM PDT by Mark17 (I traded my shackles for a glorious song. I'm free, praise the Lord, free at last.)
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To: Mark17
I remember racial quotas for FAA ATC positions back in the 70s, so it's not new

My dad worked for the US Gov. most all his life. In the late 70's he said the new employees were trash (my word.)


8 posted on 05/11/2016 11:09:31 PM PDT by 867V309 (It's over. It's over now.)
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To: george76

Hiring any old idiot walk-ins in order to fill some sort of half-arsed quota is not a particularly safe way to manage the skies.


9 posted on 05/11/2016 11:39:40 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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Hiring any old idiot walk-ins in order to fill some sort of half-arsed quota is not a particularly safe way to manage the skies

My opinions is, diversity and racial quotas are their goals, not flying safety.

10 posted on 05/11/2016 11:49:08 PM PDT by Mark17 (I traded my shackles for a glorious song. I'm free, praise the Lord, free at last.)
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To: Mark17

That would seem to be the obvious conclusion.


11 posted on 05/11/2016 11:49:46 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: 867V309
My dad worked for the US Gov. most all his life. In the late 70's he said the new employees were trash (my word.)

Would I be correct in assuming that his words were a bit more colorful?

12 posted on 05/11/2016 11:54:16 PM PDT by Mark17 (I traded my shackles for a glorious song. I'm free, praise the Lord, free at last.)
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To: MHT

I feel confidant knowing Neutron and Shitavious will do a fine job in the control tower when they’re awake.


13 posted on 05/12/2016 12:46:02 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: MHT

If the test is so hard that vets and college grads with experience aren’t passing it then how are the less qualified diversity hires?


14 posted on 05/12/2016 1:15:44 AM PDT by SleepySimon
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To: Jack Hammer
That would seem to be the obvious conclusion.

It probably wasn't as bad as that. The affirmative action people, many times, were hired first, but we washed out people who just couldn't control airplanes. So, if they couldn't hack the program, they were fired. That, of course, was a long time ago. I don't know what they do now.

15 posted on 05/12/2016 2:12:05 AM PDT by Mark17 (I traded my shackles for a glorious song. I'm free, praise the Lord, free at last.)
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To: MHT

Actually they should go to the best qualified regardless of ethnicity.


16 posted on 05/12/2016 4:02:39 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
Explain how you “pass a questionnaire”?

Sign it with a hand of the proper color.

17 posted on 05/12/2016 5:34:01 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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To: george76

And people ask why I refuse to fly.


18 posted on 05/12/2016 5:36:40 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Newsweek left out some important information...The National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees and the FAA’s HR department are caught up in a cheating lawsuit concerning feeding “correct” answers on the Biographical Questionnaire to BCFAE membership. The BCFAE lobbied for the change that purged the hiring pool in the name of “diversity” of course.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2015/05/22/faa-cheating-scandal-reaches-into-hr-office.html
http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2015/05/27/outrage-as-faa-purges-qualified-air-traffic-control-candidates.html


19 posted on 05/12/2016 5:39:39 AM PDT by Bonneville (Truth...the new hate speech)
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So let's make this clear...

The old admissions test saw some with experience fail, and some without experience pass. This apparently is weeding out the experienced ones who weren't very good at the job, and finding highly motivated and talented inexperienced folks who wanted the job pretty badly. This was somehow determined to be a BAD thing, so the test was scrapped. The test was scrapped, because racial diversity was being diminished. Therefore, race is explicitly MORE important than talent, effort, and ability combined, in the eyes of the FAA, a government body which is forbidden to discriminate on the basis of race... but it is allowed, apparently to make up for previous distant instances of racial discrimination.

20 posted on 05/12/2016 5:42:48 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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