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1 posted on 05/03/2016 8:45:34 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Well, it’s not testimonial and thats what the 5th protects. It’s like hair samples at arrest to get DNA.

I haven’t read the opinion but I assume they came down on the “not testimonial” argument to the 5th doesn’t apply.


2 posted on 05/03/2016 8:48:12 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Lorianne
Wouldn't an argument like "I forgot it" work?

Heck, who hasn't ever forgotten a password?

Regards,

3 posted on 05/03/2016 8:51:47 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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Make your password 200 characters long and store it on a thumb drive. “Sorry officer, the password was stored on a thumb drive which got lost in a canoe accident. I can’t open the file”


4 posted on 05/03/2016 8:51:49 AM PDT by circlecity
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Rather perverse that a man can be jailed for refusing to cooperate with his own prosecution.


5 posted on 05/03/2016 8:52:43 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: Lorianne

If revealing the password directly results in his felony conviction, and without it he isn’t convicted, seems it’s absolutely a 5th Amendment violation. Seems as plain an application as possible.


6 posted on 05/03/2016 8:53:23 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("Get the he11 out of my way!" - John Galt)
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How many FReepers have posted to me and others, when people talk about resisting this type of arrest, "Oh, just go with it. It'll get sorted out in the trial."

What trial?

8 posted on 05/03/2016 9:00:21 AM PDT by raybbr (That progressive bumpers sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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To: Lorianne

I would like to see the pervert’s hard drive decrypted, and him given a long prison term if (as one might infer from his behavior) he is guilty. However, this is not the right way to do it.

You can reasonably argue that compulsory provision of a password is not quite being “a witness against himself”, and that since there is a warrant it is not quite a violation of “secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures”. I still don’t like it. The Bill of Rights is not a line where the government has blanket permission to go up to that point; it’s a hard limit that cannot be crossed but also that normally should not be approached.

I am okay if they guess his password or hack the drive. Keep it as evidence until they figure out how to read it. But do not lock him up for contempt.


9 posted on 05/03/2016 9:05:20 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Somebody who agrees with me 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% traitor. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Lorianne

“I don’t recall” only works for Cankles.


12 posted on 05/03/2016 9:22:45 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it." --Samuel Clemens)
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The suspect, a former Philadelphia Police Department sergeant, well he should know the law.


13 posted on 05/03/2016 9:26:24 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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and then there’s that poor schmuck who was jailed by the feds for his film that the obozo administration falsely claimed caused the Benghazi attack that killed four Americans. I wonder when he’s going to sue the obozo and the hag for having him unjustly jailed.


19 posted on 05/03/2016 10:04:50 AM PDT by drypowder
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So, he was not jailed for not turning over his password, as the lying headline says.
This is like opening a safe. If the court can order someone to open a safe (search done with warrant), then they can order someone to decrypt data.
He was jailed for not complying with the search warrant (court order).
Headlines should not aim for sensationalism, but for a clear statement of the facts.


25 posted on 05/03/2016 10:35:02 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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What happened to his fifth amendment protection against self-incrimination? Let the state find some other way to convict him.

-PJ

26 posted on 05/03/2016 10:37:01 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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In addition to strong encryption, we need devices that you can set up with two passwords. The one that locks the device, and the one that shreds everything immediately, perhaps even physically torching the drive.


31 posted on 05/03/2016 12:25:27 PM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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