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Why Zimbardo’s Prison Experiment Isn’t in My Textbook
Psychology Today ^ | October 19, 2013 | Peter Gray Ph.D.

Posted on 05/02/2016 12:29:20 PM PDT by beaversmom



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I came across the top movie trailer on FB last night. I immediately saw how such an experiment could be bogus, which prompted me to find out more, and I ran across the Psychology Today article by Peter Gray.

The bottom trailer I came across after a quick trip down to Cañon City, Colorado area last month. The area is called Prison Valley because of the amount of prisons, state and federal, in the area. I haven't seen either film, but I have a feeling both films are pushing an agenda. That's not to say I don't believe there are problems with the justice/correctional systems in the United States. I know where there are humans and government there will always be problems, but I don't like the leftist agenda to undermine the incarceration and punishment of those that truly need to be there.

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1 posted on 05/02/2016 12:29:20 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

Good article, thanks.


2 posted on 05/02/2016 12:37:45 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: beaversmom
Those in power become abusive, and those subject to that power become immature, passive, and rebellious.

Sounds like Fed.gov and the general electorate.

3 posted on 05/02/2016 12:38:08 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: beaversmom

Just a little more proof that the purveyors of psychology are totally bonkers themselves.


4 posted on 05/02/2016 12:41:51 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: beaversmom

Why the “study” is flawed:
“In order to gain insight about the behavior of prisoners and guards in real prisons, ... constructed a simulated prison”.
A simulated prison is not a prison. Forming conclusions about a prison by means of a simulated prison is not science.
The simulated guards and the simulated prisoners weren’t guards and weren’t prisoners, and so they did not know how to act as guards and prisoners. They acted as they believed guards and prisoners act, thus fulfilling the expections of the “researcher.”
I saw it right away. It’s obvious. Yet highly-paid researchers couldn’t see it.
And yes, the author of this article is absolutely right.


5 posted on 05/02/2016 12:42:03 PM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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More of "Lord of the Flies" experiment than an actual prison experiment.
6 posted on 05/02/2016 12:57:55 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: beaversmom

The real McCoy

7 posted on 05/02/2016 1:02:23 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING ’VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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Yep, that’s the problem with a lot of those “experiments”, the situation is so artificial, with a demographic selected from college students, that they really don’t mean anything.


8 posted on 05/02/2016 1:04:25 PM PDT by discostu (Joan Crawford has risen from the grave)
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To: beaversmom

I the 60s Zimbardo was Psych 101.


9 posted on 05/02/2016 1:08:05 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (The most vocal supporters of a good con man are the victims.)
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To: beaversmom

His reason for ignoring the experiment is good as far as it goes, but it ignores other, more profound realities.

Prisoners are Alpha’s, willing to engage in high risk behavior.
Guards are Beta’s who willingly “lock themselves up” for a 30+ year career.

Yes, these are generalizations.


10 posted on 05/02/2016 1:09:06 PM PDT by G Larry (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants.)
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I’ve seen this “experiment” discussed elsewhere, often by writers who are completely convinced that the exercise actually revealed something about human nature.

My intuition insists that this “study” is bogus, for a number of reasons. I am glad to see some of the reasons spelled out as to why this is so.

A difficulty with psychological behavioral research is that it is hard to do a proper study with adequate controls. As a result, many studies that are published are not reproducible. Add to that the fact that people exhibit a range of behaviors in various circumstances—making it impossible to say that any specific behavior is characteristic for a specific situation.

Psychological research *can* give valid results, but only if the study is extremely carefully designed.


11 posted on 05/02/2016 1:13:40 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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Flawed or not this still shows just how willing people are to follow orders and live up to their expected roles. The prison part of the experiment seemed to be inconsequential to me.
12 posted on 05/02/2016 1:15:21 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Presumptive- I don't think it means what you think it means.)
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To: fella

I think Milgram was worse. Subject would inflict painful maybe even harmful electric shocks when told to do so by authority figure.


13 posted on 05/02/2016 1:17:36 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (The most vocal supporters of a good con man are the victims.)
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To: PGR88

The subtext is that abuses by authorities should be tolerated as inevitable.


14 posted on 05/02/2016 1:21:18 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: fella

everyone I know who has gone into the field has done so to find out what was wrong with themselves, and it becomes a scavenger hunt for excuses for their own behavior


15 posted on 05/02/2016 1:23:03 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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Really good article. I was especially interested in the ex-con, Carlo Prescott’s, take on what happened. He suggested the inhumane conditions as an indictment of the prison system. The professors then told the students to do what Prescott suggested. Thus, they didn’t come up with it themselves — the critical “result” of the experiment. In retrospect, Prescott has the intellectual honesty to admit that he blew it and participated in a theatrical presentation rather than an actual experiment.


16 posted on 05/02/2016 1:23:21 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: beaversmom

It’s interesting seeing something that was proclaimed as gospel truth in my undergraduate studies to be so clearly flawed. I wonder what else from them has also been discredited?

CC


17 posted on 05/02/2016 1:26:30 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (CC: purveyor of cryptic, snarky posts since December, 2000..)
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To: I want the USA back

Except for the fact that the experiment does reflect what happens in real life. Witness for example, the concentration camps in Nazi Germany, the Soviet gulags, the POW prisons in North Vietnam, etc., and to some extent our prisons here (re G. Gordon Liddy.)

So there is some politically correct reason for debunking this study, I just have not figured out what it is yet.

Remember, the “guards” did behave abominably toward the “prisoners,” and the “prisoners” behaved as real-life prisoners are wont to do.


18 posted on 05/02/2016 1:31:15 PM PDT by erkelly
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To: beaversmom

It looks like the true intent of the researchers was to “prove” that white, middle-class college students will behave just like the underclass if put into prison, that it’s all environmental and situational.


19 posted on 05/02/2016 1:32:11 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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Two things were sacred when I got my psychology degree:

The Zimbardo Prison Experiment, and Jeannie the Wild Child.

Jeannie’s story was much more compelling, tragic, and sad.

And real.

It awoke me to the endemicness (that’s not a word, I know) of child abuse in all it’s various forms.


20 posted on 05/02/2016 1:40:28 PM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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