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Oklahoma Senate gives final OK to balanced budget convention (29th state!)
kfor.com ^ | 4/26/16

Posted on 04/26/2016 4:56:02 PM PDT by cotton1706

OKLAHOMA CITY – The Oklahoma Legislature has given final approval to a resolution formally asking Congress to call a national convention to consider adding a balanced budget amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

The Senate voted 30-16 on Tuesday to approve the House-backed joint resolution despite concerns of some members that a national convention could be expanded to consider issues beyond the federal budget.

The Florida-based Balanced Budget Amendment Task Force has targeted Oklahoma and six other statehouses this year to push the measure.

(Excerpt) Read more at kfor.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conventionofstates
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To: cotton1706
The Balanced Budget Amendment is a hoax.

We've had a BBA here in California for over 20 years and we're hundreds of billions of dollars in debt.

EVERY budget is a balanced budget. The problem is it's balanced with taxes and borrowing.

21 posted on 04/26/2016 5:20:39 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: BobL
I used to fear opening up the Constitution...now I think it’s the only thing that can stop this country from another civil war.

If politicians will ignore the Constitution as it is currently written, what makes anyone think they'll abide by some new Constitution?

22 posted on 04/26/2016 5:22:53 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: huckfillary

great article. now that i have Chrome instead of Edge i cn actually open links.

immediate age 70 for retirement might not go over so well though.

but a lot of good and great ideas.

God forbid the pezzonovante travel coach.


23 posted on 04/26/2016 5:23:30 PM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: Texas Eagle

1976 Gov. Jerry Brown called for a BBA. He was a 1 year Governor and running for President against Carter-it was ‘phony’. With him at the helm for a 2nd time you would think Calif.... The last opportunity was under Clinton when a GOP Senator(Hatfield/Oregon) blew it for the party and country


24 posted on 04/26/2016 5:26:36 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: dp0622
and how does one cut a trillion dollars, without slamming SS and medicare.

Only pay out SS and medicare to people who have paid in for 20 years or more. No illegals, aliens, or people who have never had a job or been married to a worker.

25 posted on 04/26/2016 5:30:00 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: cotton1706; All
Thank you for referencing that article cotton1706. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

Patriots, please beware that a balanced federal budget is not necessarily constitutional.

From a related thread …

Once again, it’s time for "Federal Government Annual Budget 101,” the constitutionally limited power federal government's budget as the Founding States had intended for the budget to be understood.

Note that a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting justices had clarified that Congress is prohibited from appropriating taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially any issue that Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers. This is evidenced by the following excerpt.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

In fact, based on the Court’s statement above, here is a rough estimate of how much taxpayers should be paying Congress annually to perform its Section 8-limited power duties.

Given that the plurality of clauses in Section 8 deal with defense, and given that the Department of Defense budget for 2015 was $500+ billion, I will generously round up the $500+ billion figure to $1 trillion (but probably much less) as the annual price tag of the federal government to the taxpayers.

In other words, the corrupt media, including Obama guard dog Fx Noise, should not be reporting multi-trillion dollar annual federal budgets without mentioning the Supreme Court’s clarification of Congress’s limited power to appropriate taxes in budget discussions.

The bottom line is that the states that want to amend the Constitution to require a balanced federal budget need to include the excerpt above from Gibbons as a provision in such an amendment.

Remember in November!

When patriots elect Trump, or whatever conservative they elect, they need to also elect a new, state sovereignty-respecting Congress that will work within its Section 8-limited powers to support the new president, including putting a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes.

Also consider that such a Congress would probably be willing to fire state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices.

26 posted on 04/26/2016 5:31:36 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Texas Eagle
The federal government observes the Constitution to the very letter. Unfortunately, it's the Living Constitution that it observes. This is the Constitution of penumbras and emanations, the Constitution whose meaning changes even though the actual words remain the same, the Constitution empretzeled by 200 years of case law.

It does not observe the Constitution of Original Intent that the late Robert Bork named "the Constitution in exile."

Only by amending the Constitution can the loopholes introduced during the New Deal be sealed, especially the Great Loophole created by Wickard v. Filburn. That 1942 loophole wrapped the Interstate Commerce Clause in Article I, Section 8 around the entire Constitution and gave the federal government power over everything it wished. When Nancy Pelosi said that nothing that Congress does has anything to do with the Constitution, it's the Great Loophole to which she is referring.

27 posted on 04/26/2016 5:32:29 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Publius

Yes, 3/4 of states must vote to ratify any proposed amendments.


28 posted on 04/26/2016 5:37:49 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Liberals are the Taliban of America, trying to tear down any symbol that they don't like.)
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To: BobL

I am of the opinion that another US civil war is unavoidable. The only real questions are, sooner or later and who is going to be on which sides.


29 posted on 04/26/2016 5:40:27 PM PDT by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: Texas Eagle

“If politicians will ignore the Constitution as it is currently written, what makes anyone think they’ll abide by some new Constitution?”

I worry about that true. We have to HOPE on that...because the alternative is just too horrible to imagine.


30 posted on 04/26/2016 5:40:33 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Cruz...is now a vote for Romney / Jeb / Linda / Ryan (at the convention))
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To: BobL

Post #27.


31 posted on 04/26/2016 5:42:50 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: dp0622

Slam them, slam the entire budget until it puts FedGov back in its Constitutional box.


32 posted on 04/26/2016 5:54:20 PM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: BobL

But then, even the politicians who were in office at the time began violating The Constitution even before the ink was dry.


33 posted on 04/26/2016 6:40:16 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Publius
Bingo.

Are you familiar with KrisAnne Hall?

She's a fantastic scholar of The Constitution. She knocks it out of the park in this video.


Ignorance Ruling Over The Constitution

34 posted on 04/26/2016 6:57:39 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle
Her points are valid, but she's not a good lecturer. She has too much dead air and makes her points too slowly.

When I lectured on federalism to Tea Party groups in Georgia 5 years ago, I had them eating out of my hand. At the end of the lecture, I was mobbed by the crowd, and fortunately I had handouts to make my points.

I condensed the lecture into an essay here.

35 posted on 04/26/2016 7:37:56 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: cotton1706

A balanced budget is not the solution. A limit on how much can be spent is.


36 posted on 04/26/2016 9:04:36 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Ping


37 posted on 04/27/2016 12:04:04 AM PDT by Impy (Did you know "Hillary" spelled backwards is "Bitch"?)
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To: Publius; Jacquerie

http://www.cosaction.com/oklahoma_the_7th_state_to_call_convention_of_states/?recruiter_id=31606

Very confusing. Oklahoma is either the 29th state for the balanced budget, or the 7th state for a general convention...or possibly both!


38 posted on 04/27/2016 2:17:44 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: 5thGenTexan; 1010RD; AllAmericanGirl44; Amagi; aragorn; Art in Idaho; Arthur McGowan; ...

The situation has become a bit confusing. The newspaper article states that Oklahoma is the 29th state to apply for a Convention of the States to address a balanced budget amendment. However, the COS website states that Oklahoma is now the 7th state to apply for a convention to address the comprehensive concept of limiting federal power using Georgia's language. (The first 6 states are AL, AK, FL, GA, IN and TN.)

One of these is true. I tend to trust the COS website because most newspaper journalists are hopeless when it comes to facts and the Constitution.

39 posted on 04/27/2016 2:25:56 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Publius

This article helps to clear things up. Oklahoma DID do both in one.

http://www.tulsatoday.com/2016/04/27/oklahoma-senate-approved-article-v-convention/


40 posted on 04/27/2016 2:28:13 PM PDT by cotton1706
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