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To: higgmeister

Let’s see:

There are only 55 years between 1775 and 1830.

“I also found what you left out of the apocryphal narrative of the beautiful survivor of the so called “tribal massacre””

“apocryphal”?? “so-called massacre”?

How did you go from complete ignorance of the massacre to full, expert knowledge?

Back then, Indians had only one gear, and that was to massacre. I believe the Cherokees were a bit different in that respect.

You don’t have to dig very deep in Indian history to find many example of Indian pogroms against enemy tribes of this type. They would kill the women, children, and their dogs.

Government leaders in Washington at that time were extremely conscious of these type occurrences, had ample examples that the Indians could be whipped into a fury, and did not want to take the chance of tribal wars and just cleared all them out.

I know, I know, evil white man greed played a part.

In my research, I was surprised to find that even in 1830, the government was making attempts at what we call affirmative action today.

Wikipedia is okay, but hardly authoritarian of some matters, obviously this one. I don’t guess Chief Cole ever read Wikipedia. A number of Indian tribes at that time had Scot and Irish chiefs.

One summer when I was going to college, I worked in plant and my working partner was half Cherokee and half Choctaw. He said that he was rejected by both tribes. After working with him for a few weeks, I informed him that he had completely shattered my idea of the noble red man. He laughed.


41 posted on 04/26/2016 4:15:28 PM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg
There are only 55 years between 1775 and 1830.

In about 1739 the Chakchiuma were involved in hostilities, primarily with the Chickasaw, that led to their destruction...

In 1838 and 1839, as part of Andrew Jackson's Indian removal policy, the Cherokee nation was forced to give up its lands...

1739 to 1838 is 99 years. Your family history provided the date of the Chakchiuma destruction as 1775 when Jackson was 8 years old. This event would not have been known to Andrew Jackson even with the date you accept. The actual documented date was 1739, 28 years before Jackson was born.


“I also found what you left out of the apocryphal narrative of the beautiful survivor of the so called “tribal massacre””

“apocryphal”?? “so-called massacre”?

As stated in your accepted account, "some alluring fragments of her history are preserved." Nothing was written by this illiterate native beauty, yet her story appears as accepted fact. The account also says:

In 1838, the startling declaration is made by Coleman Cole, her grandson, in his famous deposition, that she had attained the age of 120 years with eye sight and other faculties unimpaired.
That is the definition of an apocryphal narrative.
How did you go from complete ignorance of the massacre to full, expert knowledge?

Because what you had described was one hundred years before "The Trail of Tears."

The tiny Chakchiuma clan were allied with the French during the hostilities that led up to The French and Indian Wars. Guess which side won? As you should be able to see, in the War of 1812, as in 1739, Indians fought on both sides of far reaching European Wars. Your original post is ludicrous when you indicated:

The “trail of tears” was provoked when the Cherokee and allied tribes annihilated another tribe down to the last Indian, save one female, who they thought was too pretty to kill. Jackson stated such behavior should not occur in the United States.
You have yet to provide the link that Jackson made that claim.
Back then, Indians had only one gear, and that was to massacre.

I have provided you several links to Cherokee that at the time of the "The Trail of Tears" were wealthy landowners with hundreds of acres, yet you still appear to think they were more savage than Jackson obviously was. You seem to believe The Cherokee people were savage enough to bravely fight in battle with our US Military yet were to uncivilized to live peacefully as farmers among American settlers.

44 posted on 04/26/2016 6:23:37 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! - voted Trump 2016 & Dude, Cruz ain't bona fide)
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