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To: odawg
There are only 55 years between 1775 and 1830.

In about 1739 the Chakchiuma were involved in hostilities, primarily with the Chickasaw, that led to their destruction...

In 1838 and 1839, as part of Andrew Jackson's Indian removal policy, the Cherokee nation was forced to give up its lands...

1739 to 1838 is 99 years. Your family history provided the date of the Chakchiuma destruction as 1775 when Jackson was 8 years old. This event would not have been known to Andrew Jackson even with the date you accept. The actual documented date was 1739, 28 years before Jackson was born.


“I also found what you left out of the apocryphal narrative of the beautiful survivor of the so called “tribal massacre””

“apocryphal”?? “so-called massacre”?

As stated in your accepted account, "some alluring fragments of her history are preserved." Nothing was written by this illiterate native beauty, yet her story appears as accepted fact. The account also says:

In 1838, the startling declaration is made by Coleman Cole, her grandson, in his famous deposition, that she had attained the age of 120 years with eye sight and other faculties unimpaired.
That is the definition of an apocryphal narrative.
How did you go from complete ignorance of the massacre to full, expert knowledge?

Because what you had described was one hundred years before "The Trail of Tears."

The tiny Chakchiuma clan were allied with the French during the hostilities that led up to The French and Indian Wars. Guess which side won? As you should be able to see, in the War of 1812, as in 1739, Indians fought on both sides of far reaching European Wars. Your original post is ludicrous when you indicated:

The “trail of tears” was provoked when the Cherokee and allied tribes annihilated another tribe down to the last Indian, save one female, who they thought was too pretty to kill. Jackson stated such behavior should not occur in the United States.
You have yet to provide the link that Jackson made that claim.
Back then, Indians had only one gear, and that was to massacre.

I have provided you several links to Cherokee that at the time of the "The Trail of Tears" were wealthy landowners with hundreds of acres, yet you still appear to think they were more savage than Jackson obviously was. You seem to believe The Cherokee people were savage enough to bravely fight in battle with our US Military yet were to uncivilized to live peacefully as farmers among American settlers.

44 posted on 04/26/2016 6:23:37 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! - voted Trump 2016 & Dude, Cruz ain't bona fide)
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To: higgmeister

“This event would not have been known to Andrew Jackson even with the date you accept.”

This is becoming unreal. What I wrote about has nothing to do when Jackson was born. Nothing. He happened to be president when the Indians were removed.

Thomas Jefferson was the first president to suggest Indian removal. Jackson only implemented what most of the leaders wanted.

What I mentioned does not depend at all on when Jackson was born. Can you get that in your mind. Indian atrocities had been, were being committed the whole time since before Europeans arrived.

For crying out loud, get off your ass and read some history books regarding American Indians and their wars. I only mentioned one account. That does not mean there were no other events. I don’t have time to ransack history and report back to you or try to convince you of anything.

Again, when Jackson was born had nothing to do with what I posted. Jackson and when he was born never entered my mind. When Jackson was born has nothing to do the Indians fighting each other.


45 posted on 04/26/2016 7:05:59 PM PDT by odawg
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