Posted on 04/25/2016 8:37:22 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
In Samuel Eliot Morison’s “The Oxford History of the American People,” there is a single sentence about Harriet Tubman.
“An illiterate field hand, (Tubman) not only escaped herself but returned repeatedly and guided more than 300 slaves to freedom.”
Morison, however, devotes most of five chapters to the greatest soldier-statesman in American history, save Washington, that pivotal figure between the Founding Fathers and the Civil War – Andrew Jackson.
Slashed by a British officer in the Revolution, and a POW at 14, the orphaned Jackson went west, rose to head up the Tennessee militia, crushed an Indian uprising at Horseshoe Bend, Alabama, in the War of 1812, then was ordered to New Orleans to defend the threatened city.
In one of the greatest victories in American history, memorialized in song, Jackson routed a British army and aborted a British scheme to seize New Orleans, close the Mississippi and split the Union.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/dishonoring-jackson-for-affirmative-action-absurdity/#8R5DhTL8CVFo0T4B.99
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Some people can’t see God when He speaks out of a burning bush.
John Brown was a Fundamentalist Calvinist who once had one of his young sons whip him to illustrate the doctrine of the atonement. If he were alive today he would probably be bombing abortion clinics. But thank you for once again elevating race above any and all other considerations; after all, as you once said, religion is merely one small part of one's "identity."[/sarcasm]
Obama, Jack Lew, and #BlackLivesMatter thank you for your support. Political correctness isn't unique to the Democratic Party, after all.
I take it you're one of those people who think of the pre-Wilsonian Democrat party as the "true American party" and that the Republican party was "red from the beginning."
You are going to need to provide more details about that lie before I will believe it.
I have been to the old Cherokee capital, New Echota, at Spring Place, GA several times, along with the The Chief Vann House. My wife is part Cherokee. My Father-in-law was born at Spring Place. "The Five Civilized Tribes" were farmers and had begun adopting American ways before Jackson was President.
The fact is that in 1828 Gold was discovered in the Georgia Cherokee land and therefore the land had to be taken!
Jesus asked, "Whose image is on the coin?" It has historically been rulers. Now, we'll have to give our money to NAACP instead of the ruler.
Jackson was behind the “Indian Removal Act”. It wasn’t just Cherokee he sought to destroy, he earned the nickname “Indian Killer”.
“But I only use cash maybe twice a month now.
it will go to 0 soon.”
This is part of the push to cashless for the plebs. Make cash despicable and people won’t want it. 5s and 10s are also getting a PC makeover. 50s and 100s might be safe, since they are the bills those pushing this use.
from Wikipedia:
“Andrew Jackson is often erroneously credited with initiating Indian Removal, because Congress passed the Indian Removal Act in 1830, during his presidency, and also because of his personal involvement in the forceful removal of many Eastern tribes. But Jackson was merely legalizing and implementing a plan laid out by Jefferson in a series of private letters that began in 1803, although Jefferson did not implement the plan during his own presidency.[4]”
“You are going to need to provide more details about that lie before I will believe it.”
In other words, you don’t know what the hell you are talking about, but you say it is a lie.
I was in Montana once, and saw some Indians discussing the Battle of Little Big Horn, and one in particular was really gloating that “America’s finest” had been slaughtered there.
He mentioned the Trail of Tears.
He said it was called that because the white people watching the procession were the ones that were crying. He said Indians didn’t cry — a cultural thing.
The Indians would not accept any thing offered to them by the white people, even though it was obvious they were in dire straits.
They were carrying their dead, basically starving.
Bull, Jackson ran out of Congress every congressman who opposed him on it. It was Jackson who pushed for the bill.
One of those men Jackson destroyed was Davey Crockett, because he had Indians in his area he was friends with.
Jackson used his wealth to destroy his and others political careers.
Crockett’s character was so destroyed he went to another district and got defeated again and then ended up going West, which we know he ended up getting killed at the Alamo.
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Not sure if Andrew Jackson should be called the greatest soldier-statesman after Washington. The battle of New Orleans was important, but does it compare to Grant's victories in the Civil War or to Eisenhower's generalship in WWII? To be sure, Grant wasn't such a great President. Eisenhower might be ranked up there among the great Presidents if only he had been a Democrat.
The war was over before the battle of New Orleans was even fought. So a for being an important battle, not so much.
Important for the pride and his career, but other than that it was blown out of proportion due to the fact the Treaty of Ghent was signed two weeks before the battle began
It has been claimed that if the British had won at New Orleans, they would have refused to ratify the Treaty of Ghent and would have demanded that the US give up some of its territory. Of course they didn’t realize that they would soon have to deal with Napoleon again.
Do you believe that being a religious zealot gives a man license to commit acts of terrorism and murder? If not, what point are you tryting to make here?
I take it you're one of those people who think of the pre-Wilsonian Democrat party as the "true American party" and that the Republican party was "red from the beginning.
No, I'm not one of those people at all. If they replaced Jackson with Madison, Adams, or about a thousand other people in US history that are more significant than Tubman I really wouldn't have any objections. I object to this move because Jackson is being replaced by a far less important historical figure in the name of political correctness. Those who support replacing Jackson with Tubman are just helping the PC left achieve their agenda of villifying "dead white males" and replacing them in the pantheon with token "minorities." If they can replace Jackson with Tubman because Jackson "deported the Indians and owned slaves" today, they can replace George Washington with Cesar Chavez on the $1 tomorrow, on the grounds that Washington was a "racist slave-owner."
However, I will point out on this thread and others that people who applaud this move just because Jackson was a Democrat are stupidly retrojecting today's political debates to the 1830's. Both the Democratic and Republican Parties changed allegiances and ideologies several times over during their history, and more importantly, most of today's political issues (such as the welfare state) simply didn't exist at the time. The Democrats in the 19th Century were more like the libertarians of today: advocates of states' rights, decentralism, and free markets. That's hardly a political world where Obama or Hillary would fit in.
Just write what you want on the new bill and let it circulate.
In other words, you don’t know what the hell you are talking about, but you say it is a lie.
You have not responded to the lie at Post # 8.
The “trail of tears” was provoked when the Cherokee and allied tribes annihilated another tribe down to the last Indian, save one female, who they thought was too pretty to kill. Jackson stated such behavior should not occur in the United States.You posted this lie and now you talk around it with no evidence to support the so called war that no one has heard of . Provide the names of the tribes, the names of the battles, the dates and names of the particulars that acted in the supposed war that "annihilated another tribe down to the last Indian, save one female."
If you are obfuscating the truth of the battles of the War of 1812 where the Creek tribe sided with the British and fought against Jackson, just admit it. We also know that Jackson relied on Cherokee Scouts that he later sent to Indian Territory Oklahoma as a sadly ironic reward for their service.
I have always been interested in our Cherokee connection as I am a seventh generation Alabamian. My Great Grandpap was also an original "Sooner" who walked from Alabama to Oklahoma, essentially following the path of "The Trail of Tears", where my mother eventually was born. I have long wondered if there may have been a deeper family connection in this. One of the Cherokee that fought with Jackson was Major Ridge.
For his heroic leadership at the Battle of Horseshoe Bend, The Ridge received the title of major, which he subsequently used as his first name.I grew up in Rome, GA where the plantation home of Major Ridge is now the Chieftains Museum/Major Ridge Home.
Jackson annihilated more Indians than in any fake tribal war you dreamed up and attempted to pass off here.
What I posted yesterday was based on some history I had read about fifteen years ago, when I was doing research on Choctaw script and got sidelined with other historical matters concerning Indian matters of that time.
I spent a few minutes and was surprised to find basically what I had in mind, although I read the original from one of those old ancient history books.
The following does not reflect all I read about tribal wars.
If you buy into the romanticized version of the noble red man, you are mistaken. You may need to read up on what the settlers encountered in their efforts to build a country like you now enjoy.
It was not unusual for one tribe to try to eradicate another tribe.
from: Chronicles of Oklahoma, Chief Coleman Cole —
“About the year 1775, the Chickasaws aided by a few Choctaws, concluded a three years’ war with the Shakchi-Hummas, whom they greatly outnumbered, by a surprise attack on the Indian village of Oski Hlopal and in a merciless engagement lasting throughout the day massacred practically the entire membership of that tribe. A few women and children were spared and taken over and adopted by the Choctaws, but the Shakchi-Hummas as a tribal entity were completely erased. During these crucial hours, Roscoe Cole, the white captive, was enabled to effect his escape from the carnage and from his enforced residence among the Indians, by the aid of Shumaka,4 his self-sacrificing Indian wife, the details of which are shrouded. He faded away in an aura of mystery which has never been penetrated, but his was not an exceptional instance. Not infrequently, the captive white man waved good bye to civilization and kindred, took an Indian woman for a wife and finished nobody knows where. Many an Indian Chief’s folks on his father’s side wore high top boots and a white shirt. Shumaka was saved from massacre and this, it is recorded, was because of her beauty. Taking her five children, she went to live among the Choctaws.”
“Jackson annihilated more Indians than in any fake tribal war you dreamed up and attempted to pass off here.”
That sentence reveals you to be historically ignorant and your post reveal you to be a prick.
I thought I answered your post yesterday. I must have forgotten to click the button.
As you can see, since it had been about fifteen years since I had read the account, my memory was not exactly clear. I was amazed that I found the following. I remembered that at the time I had done some research on Choctow script.
American leaders in Washington did not want the potential for pogroms mentioned below to exist inside the United States. What seems brutal now makes a little more sense in context of the times. The war mentioned below was not the only one.
The Trail of Tears was bad, but not nearly as bad as what Federal troops inflicted on Southern civilians during the Civil War. That has been hidden from the history books.
When Europeans first came over, it was reported that the Cherokees were farmers and were living in houses.
from: Chronicles of Oklahoma, Chief Coleman Cole —
“About the year 1775, the Chickasaws aided by a few Choctaws, concluded a three years’ war with the Shakchi-Hummas, whom they greatly outnumbered, by a surprise attack on the Indian village of Oski Hlopal and in a merciless engagement lasting throughout the day massacred practically the entire membership of that tribe. A few women and children were spared and taken over and adopted by the Choctaws, but the Shakchi-Hummas as a tribal entity were completely erased. During these crucial hours, Roscoe Cole, the white captive, was enabled to effect his escape from the carnage and from his enforced residence among the Indians, by the aid of Shumaka,4 his self-sacrificing Indian wife, the details of which are shrouded. He faded away in an aura of mystery which has never been penetrated, but his was not an exceptional instance. Not infrequently, the captive white man waved good bye to civilization and kindred, took an Indian woman for a wife and finished nobody knows where. Many an Indian Chief’s folks on his father’s side wore high top boots and a white shirt. Shumaka was saved from massacre and this, it is recorded, was because of her beauty. Taking her five children, she went to live among the Choctaws.”
Harriet Tubman was a criminal, a felon, with thousands of counts of criminal action
The Chakchiuma were a Native American tribe of the upper Yazoo River region of what is today the state of Mississippi.Andrew Jackson was born March 15, 1767.The identification of the Chakchiuma by the French of the late 17th century as "a Chicacha nation" indicates that they were related to the Chickasaw and of similar Muskogean stock, as does the etymology of their name.
The Chakchiuma participated on the French side in the Yazoo War. In about 1739 the Chakchiuma were involved in hostilities, primarily with the Chickasaw, that led to their destruction as an independent tribe and their being incorporated into the Chickasaw and Choctaw tribes.
By 1704 their numbers had fallen to only 80 families, which almost certainly was below 500 people.
In 1838 and 1839, as part of Andrew Jackson's Indian removal policy, the Cherokee nation was forced to give up its lands east of the Mississippi River and to migrate to an area in present-day Oklahoma. The Cherokee people called this journey the "Trail of Tears," because of its devastating effects.
I also found what you left out of the apocryphal narrative of the beautiful survivor of the so called "tribal massacre":
The life of Shumaka was colorful and forms an impressive story and such details of her life as have been preserved are not wholly irrelevant. After her adoption by the Choctaws, she lived in the vicinity of the present town of Elliott, Grenada County, Mississippi. Although her life story is rather obscure, some alluring fragments of her history are preserved and we learn that she served as a cook in the Choctaw contingent of General Jackson's army in the Creek War of 1813-14. She was very aged at the time of the removal treaty of 1830 and elected to remain in Mississippi as the treaty enabled her.Regarding the battle of Battle of Horseshoe Bend, Jackson led troops consisting of 2,600 American soldiers, 500 Cherokee, and 100 Lower Creek allies. At the end, roughly 800 of the 1000 Red Stick Creek warriors present at the battle were killed.
Do you still want to claim that Jackson used this so called annihilation of a 500 member tribe in far away Mississippi almost one hundred years earlier as a reason for the Indian removal? Do you have a link to support that?
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