From Forty-niner: “While Natural Born citizens are all Born Citizens not all Born Citizens are Natural Born Citizens.”
You are both coming around to what I wrote in my original post. It took a lot to get you there, but you did finally arrive.
You both insist that there are 3 legal definitions of Citizen. You might split hairs, as you did above, and say that there are TWO types of born citizens but that is six of one and a half dozen of the other.
My answer to you both is that the current working legal definition of citizenship stands as only TWO types, naturalized and NBC. You two have the right to disagree, but it will take a SC decision or written legislation to CHANGE the current working definition. As such Cruz is ELIGIBLE. Does that mean he is ELECTABLE? That is another matter.
And to a later remark by Rocklobster it has nothing to do with either opinion or climate change. It has to do with those that won’t change their view of the matter in the face of 50 states nominating boards and about a half dozen court rulings. That’s your right, of course.
My hope is that once we get our marginally documented first black president out of the oval office our nation can proceed with the process to actually DEFINE what NBC should be from this point out to eliminate any confusion.
“You both insist that there are 3 legal definitions of Citizen.”
No we don’t. We recognize that there are either BORN citizens or that there are NATURALIZED citizens.
We recognize that one may be a born citizen under several different birth circumstances. These different circumstance are NOT each create a separate definition of citizen.
One of those circumstances is birth in the US to 2 citizen parents. A vast majority of BORN citizens are born with this exact circumstance of birth. Why can’t you understand this? BTW as The TROLL pointed out US CODE 1401 lists the different circumstances that would result in “BORN CITIZENSHIP.” Included in this list is those born in the US to 2 citizen parents.
All born and naturalized citizens share the same Rights/ Responsibilities EQUALLY. There are no “Classes” of citizenship in the United States.
Only one form of BORN CITIZENSHIP is eligible to become President. No Naturalized citizens are eligible to become President. ONLY Citizens born in the US to 2 citizen parents are eligible to be President. That eligibility requirement does NOT create another definition of citizenship. A NBC IS a BORN CITIZEN. One whose circumstance of birth makes him eligible to be President.
Cruz has multiple “citizenships,” Canadian, Cuban, and US. He is not Eligible and therefore ultimately not Electable.
Since you disagree Please list the Presidents, born after the Constitution was in effect, that were NOT born in the US to 2 citizen parents. You have over 200 years worth of presidents to look over.
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You are both coming around to what I wrote in my original post. It took a lot to get you there, but you did finally arrive.
Not really. Your delusion continues.
You both insist that there are 3 legal definitions of Citizen.
Probably more than that. What about residents of US territories? I'm sure there are many restrictions and qualifiers on various types of citizenships, which make them different from each other.
TWO types, naturalized and NBC.
Yes, ANY citizenship created/defined by statute is naturalized.
You might split hairs, as you did above, and say that there are TWO types of born citizens
Yes, those eligible, and those ineligible to serve as President.
but that is six of one and a half dozen of the other
No, it's pretty black and white, and would preclude the likes of the illegal usurper from sitting in the Oval Office.
it will take a SC decision
There exists such a historic writing.
or written legislation to CHANGE the current working definition.
Written legislation in the form of a Constitutional Amendment, to be ratified by the states. The current working definition is; "born here, two citizen parents".
As such Cruz is ELIGIBLE.
Why, did something or someone travel back in time, and make him US born, to a US citizen father? No. Cruz is barely a citizen, and unless and until he produces his CRBA, he should be considered an illegal alien.
to a later remark by Rocklobster it has nothing to do with either opinion or climate change.
Of course it does, the courts are completely unreliable, packed with devout communists, people just like Bernie Sanders and Hilary Clinton. They grant rights to micro-demographic groups and trample on the rights of "natural born citizens" Why would this be any different?
It has to do with those that won’t change their view of the matter in the face of 50 states nominating boards
They need to follow original intent, otherwise, they have no bearing on the issue.
and about a half dozen court rulings.
See Kangaroo RAT-courts: (above)
once we get our marginally documented first black president out of the oval office
Your twisted definition is what got him there in the first place. He's less than marginally documented, the BC is fake, he has multiple SS numbers, and all his records and transcripts are sealed. We're not even sure he is the person originally born with that name.
our nation can proceed with the process to actually DEFINE what NBC should be
That was done long long ago by the Supreme Court, reaffirming the framers original intent.