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To: erkelly
Those with Axis II personality disorders are rarely hospitalized for their illness- unless their utter disregard for others leads to a crime. Substance abuse is not correlated with narcissism. Narcissists lack insight into their issues and point the finger elsewhere- never admitting that they may be at fault. Many CEOs are narcissists- they succeed in part because they trample others. They wreak havoc in the lives of those close to them.

Trump does not have a good relationship with his two ex-wives. He bought their silence and threatened legal action if they revealed what occurred in their marriage.

I have formed my opinion about his personality disorder from his history and the countless hours of media coverage. I have seen his speeches, his mockery, insults and name-calling, mugging, illeism and lack of substance.

So Dr. erkelly, with no stated experience in the mental health field, I reject your argument.

Winston Churchill should not be mentioned in a discussion of Trump. Churchill was a great man.

148 posted on 04/16/2016 1:26:57 PM PDT by austingirl (Cruz 2016)
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To: austingirl

How do you know whether or not I have a medical background? How do I know you do? Anyone can rattle off anything about Axis I, II, III, IV, or V, so what?

And where do you get off making libelous diagnoses of a man who you have never examined, never administered so much as one single test (which if you are a nurse and not a clinical psychologist you do not have the qualifications to do anyway) diagnoses based on nothing whatsoever about other than what the very dishonest media reports, and without any knowledge whatsoever of the positive traits this man may possess, or mitigating circumstances in this man’s life. Or for that matter, the kind of people this man’s ex-wives are. In fact, you don’t know anything. You just want to commit some learned-sounding libelous goobledy-gook for which you are probably paid, which you can get away with because this man is a public figure.

If you do possess some medical credential or other is it not an egregious abuse of it to use it in such a manner to make such terrible public statements about anyone’s psychiatric condition when you do NOT have all the facts? For that matter, you have no facts. You have hearsay.

If this were not a famous man you would be sued, and you would have to prove would you have said. And if indeed you did have some medical degree or other, you would lose it, and you deserve to lose it. You deserve to lose it for the things you said today. You ought to lose it.

I think if you really were a medical health professional, you would be a whole lot more careful about what you say in public about anyone, particularly where mental health issues are concerned.

I know if I were a medical health professional I would be very careful about patient confidentiality just on general principle, because I would be well schooled on those pesky HPIAA issues and how troublesome they are these days, and how one could even end up in prison if some Trump supporter in California read those libelous posts of yours, since I am not sure those libel laws that shield one from being sued by a public figure, would protect a mental health professional who undertook to diagnose an individual’s mental health, even a public figure’s, and then publish those diagnoses.

The draconian California HPIAA laws you see, are the kind of thing, if one did happen to be a medical professional in Nevada who is regularly involved with patients from California, would be aware of.

PS: FYI, narcissism is a common trait of alcoholics.


154 posted on 04/16/2016 2:36:38 PM PDT by erkelly
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To: austingirl; erkelly

> “Narcissists lack insight into their issues and point the finger elsewhere- never admitting that they may be at fault”

Donald Trump admits skipping debate may have hurt him in Iowa
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/03/donald-trump-admits-skipping-debate-may-have-hurt-him-in-iowa.html

Donald Trump admits Heidi Cruz tweet attack was “a mistake”
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-admits-heidi-cruz-tweet-attack-was-a-mistake

This list gets quite lengthy.

Is there any allowance for the reality that a very wealthy person must absolutely minimize mistakes and especially acts twisted into ‘mistakes’ to discourage a relentless parade of nuisance lawsuits brought on by unscrupulous unprincipled opportunistic attorneys representing persons of the same category?

And it seems the Donald faces his misgivings pretty well after he admitted his marriage to Marla Maples was “just lust”. Further, he knows he’s a difficult person:

“Trump himself admitted last week that “being on the other side of a relationship with someone like me must be difficult.”
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20122177,00.html

austingirl has never been in a position of such high responsibility or of such wealth that one’s entire life is a walk with a target sign fixed to one’s back. And yet Donald still faces his demons and admits to his difficult nature.

Donald has never asked forgiveness because he never had to; he always made those that nerer hurt by him ‘whole’. He took care of all those that were close to him or who had a credible and genuine claim. He took care of everyone in those situations. A great testament to this fact is the unwavering support he receives from his family members, ex’s, business partners and associates and even reaching back to his days in the NY Military Academy who recently published an Op-Ed that as successful lawyers and business persons in their own right, and despite their never before publishing a preference for any political candidate, they were glad to step forward unhesitatingly to attest to Donald Trump’s unselfish character, his graciousness and kindness.

And if that’s not enough, America’s military veterans and brave warriors are firmly solidly in knowing that Donald Trump is genuinely passionate about them, a passion that goes back to when he worked long hours with his father who was devoted to vets and their plight.

There is no better evidence of Donald’s quiet unselfish character than this post that was made last summer by someone who started out by hoping to show that Donald Trump was a liar and a fraud, only to find the opposite, that he is honest and genuine, and who can’t stand liars:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3330070/posts?page=86#79


170 posted on 04/16/2016 9:34:47 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: austingirl
I have formed my opinion about his personality disorder from his history and the countless hours of media coverage. I have seen his speeches, his mockery, insults and name-calling, mugging, illeism and lack of substance.

I find it incredible that you have "diagnosed" all of the various traits of NPD in Trump, yet have failed to see the textbook manifestations of several of the DSM criteria for NPD while watching Cruz. For example, one of the symptoms of NPD is "Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it"--certainly applicable to Cruz, who has very few, if any, accomplishments and no qualifications to occupy an executive position, let alone the country's top executive spot. Yet he is trying to pass himself off as being almost holy in his pureness and as the only person for the job.

I do not think that you are actually basing your judgment of Trump on dispassionate observation, as would befit a health care professional. I think that you simply dislike Trump, you are probably more swayed by the negative media coverage than you would care to admit or even recognize, and what you are doing is projecting the qualities of NPD on Trump in order to rationalize your hatred. In other words, your entire "diagnosis" of Trump is based in emotional thinking, not logic and observation.

In reference to the above, I should point out that the media has a strategic goal, and the negative coverage about Trump is not reflective of anything he has said or done. The negative coverage is a tactic the media roll out any time a strong conservative comes along and threatens their long-term goal (which is to make America into a socialist authoritarian dictatorship). Their tactics are well-known--they misrepresent, they cherry-pick statements in order to paint a picture of a truly reprehensible human being. (Conversely, if the person is a liberal who advances their agenda, they do the same to paint a picture of an almost godlike saint.) It takes a bit of investigative digging to find the truth about a person whose image has been falsified by the media. The more people that fall for the media tactics, the better the media has done its job. I, for one, do not want a president that the media/Democrat cabal has selected. BTW, do not deceive yourself that Cruz is somehow immune to media-driven image manipulation. When/if it comes time to take him out, they will do it, and probably with far less effort than they have expended on Trump--because, face it, Cruz is handing them ammunition on a silver platter right now.

174 posted on 04/17/2016 5:32:13 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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