Posted on 03/30/2016 4:20:27 PM PDT by Swordmaker
Again, read the post, do the search, and think about how the CheckPoint guys did crack Apple's MDM MITM flaw.
That's about all I can say any more on the subject. We obviously have different NDAs.
I don’t understand how this all makes Apple look so bad. Some government hack shows up on your doorstep with a court order and you’re supposed to just do free work for them no questions asked? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard of. Tim Cook is a toolbox but I understand his stance on this. He probably told them, “Go talk to the NSA. They can tell you how often you order pizza and what kind of porno you like.”
FBI = Famous But Incompetent. Somebody probably called up a friend at the NSA, who got into the phone in the time it took his buddy to go get them a coffee at the corner diner. The FBI, CIA, and NSA don’t like each much, that’s no secret. Their open dislike of each other and lack of cooperation is the reason 9-11 happened.
It really kills me how a majority of freedom-loving Freepers are preaching the virtues of government subservience. How did that happen? Oh yeah, Apple is a company that we don't like. A whole lot of non-Jewish Germans figured the SS would never come for them, either.
Put yourself in Apple’s shoes. Some government representative shows up at your house with a court order and says, “You work for us now. You won’t be paid for it, of course!” You’d be just Jim-dandy with that, right? Forget calling a lawyer and consulting with him on what rights you have here, you should just OBEY. I’ll bet you’re a big fan of Castro, too.
” Some government representative shows up at your house with a court order and says, “You work for us now.”
Total falsehood. Apple would be paid for their work. Besides, how much exactly does it cost for what only took a week or so for the FBI to do the work. Now Apple is out of the loop and, therefore, out of control of the situation. Bad play on Apple’s part. They no longer can claim the feds cannot crack the iPhone. If Apple would have played ball instead of protecting the terrorist muslims they could have continued to claim only they can crack the iPhone.
What's next, rounding people up in the middle of the night? Silly me, I thought this was the kind of thing that conservatives were supposed to be fighting against. Of course, I wasn't expecting FR to be anti-veteran and anti-Defense Department during the 2013 sequestration. Looks to me like the halls of the Republican congress aren't the only ones going liberal.
The fact is, their views would turn 180 degrees if the government served a court order like this to a Christian group/church, a group like Judicial Watch, or a "good" retailer like Wal-Mart. It's appalling to see so many people just cut and run when they read a view they don't agree with. Is this what FR has become: we're all just standing in a half-circle preaching to the choir? It's not that I want to see a bunch of screeching liberal trolls hijacking every thread unchecked and I don't envy the job of the moderators/administrators but I really think FR is becoming too vanilla these days.
I don't know how FR became an advocate of government subservience, what the hell happened?
A COMMON obfuscatory tactic used by those people who are losing a debate is to state things that are factually correct, but which have no relevance to the point in question.
By saying factually correct things, they try to present themselves as an "expert" in the topic, and they hope that the listener will be "awed" by their supposed command of the material, and just stop arguing with them.
This is what Swordmaker always does. He deluges you with a mountain of irrelevant crap in the hopes you don't notice he is NOT ADDRESSING THE RELEVANT POINT.
He is a cheerleader, not an objective debater.
Exactly, it also helps to ignore the facts, like Apple and Google having been cooperating with LEAs and their legally obtained court orders to help "unlock" a small number of phones / devices for years, with apparently no loss of "privacy" by average citizens, nor any compunctions of such "possibility" or likelihood, nor worries about loss of Apple / Google phones' secrets.
The company's attitude should not have changed with the changes in technology, especially with FBI being very accommodating to Apple's [unfortunately public] demands. Yet, all of a sudden, now they decided to make a very unnecessary and public "populist" stand... Fortunately, the FBI seems to be stepping into the middle, as an intermediator, to facilitate needed "access" for local and state agencies and to draw the heat off NSA.
... they try to present themselves as an "expert" in the topic, and they hope that the listener will be "awed" by their supposed command of the material, and just stop arguing with them.
Well, when someone states that "Certificates are registered. ... Those enterprise certificates are guarded like the crown jewels for obvious reasons." (Well, duh!) or that "Fake certificates will not work. ... A fake one will fail the registration test." — it will certainly put nobody in "awe" of their "expertise" — we all know that faked and stolen CAs have been used in cybercrimes (including very recent cases) and particularly via MITM type of attacks. Certainly, CheckPoint guys are not dummies and didn't present this as a "theoretical" vulnerability, yet the reaction from Apple was stunningly dismissive.
The reason I usually stop arguing the issue at some point is when:
1. I hope that by that time, the other readers, who really want to know and educate themselves on the issue, will have been provided enough factual material and references so that they can easily understand what the real issues are, without belaboring the point and beating the dead horse by keeping to talk past each other and getting off on tangents.
2. When it becomes obvious that it's useless to try and convince someone, because of his/her obvious bias, ego, rudeness and/or being "invested" in the specific outcome of the argument, I don't mind letting them "win" and have the last word:
"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink"
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it" - Upton Sinclair
"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength" - Eric Hoffer
And I have long suspected that this sentiment is what underpins a lot of the resistance to the truth that we keep seeing.
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